Dr. Jeff Spencer, Always Hold Space in Your Life for a Miracle (#221)

Dr. Jeff Spencer is a former Olympian and a high-performance coach for some of the highest achievers in several industries, such as Lance Armstrong, Tiger Woods, Sir. Richard Branson, and Bono. With his Cornerman Elite Performance Coaching, Dr. Jeff Spencer has created a fail-safe, repeatable system to win, where he designs, tracks, and evolves personalized success programs for individuals, groups, and organizations to teach them to achieve peak performance when it matters most.

With his knowledge and experience, which sums up to over 300,000 hours of coaching elite performers, Dr. Jeff Spencer has contributed to changing various companies’ cultures, cycling teams to win 8 Tour De Frances, athletes win over 40 Olympic, World, and World Championship medals, as well as prepare the rock band U2 for a successful World Tour.

Differences Between Being a Dreamer and a Manifester

Most people would love to achieve certain results, but all they do is dream about them. But being dreamers will only take them this far. To truly achieve the level of success and contribution you desire, you have to become a Manifester, and Dr. Jeff Spencer is a very clear example of that. At the age of 7, he already had a vision: he wanted to become an Olympian. Three years later he even wrote a contract with himself to make the 1972 Olympic games. A goal that he did achieve. How was that possible?

Dr. Jeff Spencer understood from a young age that goal setting doesn’t equal goal achievement. While it surely is important to have a specific target – a goal – that’s not sufficient to achieve it. Above all, one has to make sure the goal is aligned with his highest self, and then there must be a structure followed by consistent action. This concept is clearly visible from the structure of his D.A.R.E. coaching model, which keeps on delivering extraordinary results regardless of the context of the times.

• PHASE 1 – CLARITY: Get Clear On Your Current Position And The Most Efficient Path Forward
• PHASE 2 – CERTAINTY: Execute Plan While Removing Hidden Risks And Maintaining Flow To Lock In Wins
• PHASE 3 – TIME COMPRESSION: Compress The Time To Achieve Goals Faster Than Previously Thought Possible

And now here’s Dr. Jeff Spencer.

Show Notes

[2:33] How’d it happen for Dr. Jeff Spencer?
[4:33] How the entrepreneurial seed was planted at age seven
[7:40] Jeff’s sibling and Jeff’s competitiveness
[11:28] Dreamer vs. manifester
[18:15] The three angels
[24:33] When Jeff realized that he had angels guiding him
[33:35] The untrue advice we receive about goal achievement and champions life
[46:50] The importance of coherence and optimization
[51:06] Human mindset (also known as human nature) and champions mindset
[58:26] Champion’s mind: is it learned or innate?
[1:00:21] On adopting his daughter and how it changed him
[1:12:17] What does it take to work with Jeff?
[1:19:08] Outro

Full transcript below

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Podcast with Dr. Jeff Spencer. Always Hold Space in Your Life for a Miracle.

Dr. Jeff Spencer – Always Hold Space in Your Life for a Miracle

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Mike Malatesta: Hey everybody welcome back to the How’d It Happen Podcast. I am so thankful that you’re here; grateful for you, showing up every week and every episode.

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Mike Malatesta: To listen to the great guests, that I have and cheer on and support me as well, today I am fulfilling my promise to you with another amazing success story i’ve got Dr Jeff Spencer with me Jeff welcome to the show.

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Jeff Spencer: Well Mike thanks again; just can’t wait for a conversation.

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Mike Malatesta: yeah so let me tell you a little bit about.

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Mike Malatesta: About Jeff and then we’ll get going so Dr Jeff Spencer, is a former Olympic athlete and high performance trainer for some of the biggest names in the world.

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Mike Malatesta: Like Lance Armstrong, Tiger Woods, Sir Richard Branson and Bono, he’s been named the international sports chiropractor of the year and he’s a world famous blown glass artist.

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Mike Malatesta: Jeff designs tracks and evolves personalized success programs for individuals, groups and organizations to teach them to own the zone when it counts.

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Mike Malatesta: He helps people adopt a champion mindset and leads them to perform at their highest level possible.

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Mike Malatesta: he’s helped companies thrive, by improving their culture catapulted cycling teams to win eight tour de france’s and helped athletes win more than 40 Olympic and world championship medals.

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Mike Malatesta: Jeff is also the author of three books at the champion about the champion mindset total training for motocross total taping.

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Mike Malatesta: and turn it up how to perform at your best for a lifetime and beyond all this success jeff’s most important achievement has been the adoption and parenting of his daughter maddie.

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Mike Malatesta: Jeff I start every show, with the same simple question how did it happen for you.

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Jeff Spencer: Well, it actually happened for me at seven years of age when I wanted to become an Olympian it’s like it chose me I didn’t choose it and that’s where the curiosity.

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Jeff Spencer: got turned on, and I have the self start gene, so I never needed to be motivated.

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Jeff Spencer: To pursue and investigate those things that are in front of me and that’s where it all started, and I was fortunate to have three.

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Jeff Spencer: angels come into my life that made the difference between having high aspirations and inquiries and being able to manifest those as.

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Jeff Spencer: bodies of evidence of what’s possible so that’s really how the first domino fell and knowing that no one wins alone, I had just amazing help in the process that cultivated and crafted in drew out of me.

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Jeff Spencer: That which was already there to be able to manifest some of the things that I did whether it’s art sports.

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Jeff Spencer: Science or anything that.

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Jeff Spencer: Certainly.

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Jeff Spencer: acknowledge and recognize the.

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Jeff Spencer: The essential contribution of the people that I that I was around, otherwise I would not have been possible.

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Mike Malatesta: I really appreciate the age seven thing Jeff I have something similar.

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Mike Malatesta: For me, like an entrepreneurial seed was planted in me when I was four years old, and I was sitting on the curb in front of my house.

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Mike Malatesta: My parents house and I was watching these trucks across the street, and just as a construction company and he’s chuck’s I just remember them coming in coming out that does the smoke the smell and for whatever reason, that.

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Mike Malatesta: Stick stuck with me for my whole life and then, so I and ultimately ended up working with trucks and owning trucks, they only businesses that don’t tracks and that kind of thing and.

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Mike Malatesta: i’m wondering what came to you what were you doing at age seven when this came to you can you give me a guy want to know more about how this implanted itself in you at age seven.

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Jeff Spencer: I think first and foremost, there is a receptivity because i’ve always been one that is.

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Jeff Spencer: receptive to ideas and possibility and I feel like when we hold that level the receptivity then it provides a runway for things to land.

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Jeff Spencer: If we’re in too much pursuit of something we kind of shut down possibility if we make judgments about what we believe to be possible, in advance, which is a pretty strong human.

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Jeff Spencer: characteristic, then we automatically can’t even get out of the starting gate so for sure, it was a receptivity of exploring what was possible, I never did anything with the idea of.

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Jeff Spencer: showcasing my greatness to showcase and put the attention on myself, I never thought about that, and I was not competitive to show other people who was boss, it was never liked that it was really an inquiry.

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Jeff Spencer: That came from a calling that showed up and I recognize the calling because there was a gravity there and i’ve never been hesitant to engage those things that show up like that, as as a matter of fact that’s how i’ve.

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Jeff Spencer: lived my entire 70 years on this planet is through that receivership and the faithfulness to engage it and do what’s necessary to fulfill the possibility of of that not really knowing what the outcome could could be.

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Mike Malatesta: And, was it something you went and told your parents about and then started planning or was it.

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Jeff Spencer: that’s a great that’s a great question why I didn’t really even realize that we’re parents were there to help, quite honestly, because.

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Jeff Spencer: My parents were not exist in in a certain sense, where they never intervened in my life suggested I do this or that but they never criticize me either.

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Jeff Spencer: There was like Okay, well, I guess, parents are just supposed to be there and you’re the one that has to figure everything out.

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Jeff Spencer: that’s just the way it seemed to me, is not the way it is for everybody, I guess, not and therefore I did have the self start gene, so I was lucky.

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Jeff Spencer: And it was up to me to figure it out and thank goodness, on the strength Finder my greatest strength is a strategist, meaning that I can.

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Jeff Spencer: figure things out, and I can figure out how to get from point A to Point B, with a high degree of accuracy.

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Jeff Spencer: and confidence so that’s kind of really how it happened, but i’ll also maintain a receptivity to.

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Jeff Spencer: Sound counsel, I was always coachable I never wanted it my way I was never going to throw a diva tantrum if I didn’t get it my way.

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Jeff Spencer: I always knew that yeah I maybe had raw capacity, but unless that’s harnessed in directed, I will not be able to fully.

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Jeff Spencer: manifest whatever that potential is so again, I had like three angels that came into my life that really did make the difference, a critical moments in my life that allowed me to become a manifester rather than just a dreamer big difference between dreamer and manifester.

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Mike Malatesta: And, before I get into the angels, what about siblings Jeff did you have siblings that you.

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Jeff Spencer: yeah I have a brother that’s two and a half years younger than myself just a great guy our personality is going to be more different he’s like a monk just a very gentle guy that has its own brilliance and genius literally speaking and he’s really good at two dimensional art you is.

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Jeff Spencer: In massive demand for his ability to creatively think about the manifestation of things and being able to draw exactly what that looks like when the process has been completed, where.

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Jeff Spencer: i’m like basically a warrior i’m you know ready to take the field.

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Jeff Spencer: And when I move into the Coliseum man it’s me and one competitor well i’m not going to be i’m going to be the guy that leaves i’m not going to be the guy that’s laying on the ground it’s just kind of the way it is that.

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Jeff Spencer: You know, helped me become an Olympian and some of the other things that i’ve.

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Jeff Spencer: done and again i’m extraordinarily competitive, not for my own sake, because I don’t feel like I need to prove anything to myself.

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Jeff Spencer: or demonstrate anything to other people other than showing them that whatever is within them is possible if we show up.

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Jeff Spencer: In we develop the skill to take the ideas that we have and be able to do what’s necessary to manifest them and in three dimension so that’s the this thing, so we couldn’t be more different, but yet we’re cut from the same cloth got it.

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Mike Malatesta: And that competitiveness that you mentioned Jeff is that sort of universal when everything that you do in life or is your can you compartmentalize your competitiveness i’m always curious about people describe themselves as ultra competitive or I can I describe myself as competitive.

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Mike Malatesta: But there are some things that I can be okay with not being.

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Mike Malatesta: You know number one at if I don’t feel number one is important to me.

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Jeff Spencer: There was being number one isn’t important to me at all Okay, you know what’s important to me is is that if something shows up as a possibility it’s a gift that’s presented to you.

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Jeff Spencer: I can accept that, and I can take action on it, and I can commit to it, to see how far it can go so that curiosity that’s, the only way I made an Olympic team, I mean it called me to it, I showed up in service, I did what I had to do from my side of it willingly.

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Jeff Spencer: Not to showcase myself I didn’t need to be number one I had nothing to prove to anybody, you know my scorecard in life is did I show up.

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Jeff Spencer: In did I accept what was put in front of me and did I honor it and did I honor my talents.

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Jeff Spencer: And, as a result, about some of the byproducts are is that you do show other people what’s possible and in today’s world, I think that that’s really important.

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Jeff Spencer: Because it awakened something in them which puts them in a different state of personal belief, to be able to create certain things.

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Jeff Spencer: But it also is a process by which the people that have helped us get to where we can get to our honored in that I feel like there’s no better way to say thank you.

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Jeff Spencer: Then, to demonstrate the manifestation of what people have shared with us that have helped us get in a position.

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Jeff Spencer: to showcase what’s possible so i’m not competitive against any other person on this planet i’m not even competitive or judgmental against myself it’s like did I show up for duty.

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Jeff Spencer: Did I do what I was called to do a faithfully with a an unconditional heart that was willing to do whatever it took to explore the possibility of what that was right.

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Mike Malatesta: And you thanks for clarifying that, by the way the the difference, you said there’s a difference between a dreamer and a manifester could you let’s go into that a little bit more, because I think I know what you mean, but I want to be sure, I understand you’re thinking about that.

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Jeff Spencer: Well, simply put.

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Jeff Spencer: goal setting is not goal achievement goal setting is a target, but the achievement of that is the manifestation and it also demonstrates the competency.

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Jeff Spencer: of the individual, but more importantly, it shows everybody else, that you can dream as much as you want, you can stay in belief.

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Jeff Spencer: But until things are manifested it’s not real and if it’s not real, then the contribution to humanity and one’s own legacy doesn’t happen it just remains a thought or a possibility in one one’s head.

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Jeff Spencer: And I do feel that we need to complete that cycle of action to then develop a greater sense of belief and knowing.

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Jeff Spencer: and connecting with our capacity to manifest things that can be a benefit to ourselves in terms of the quality of life that we live, but also contribute to humanity as well okay.

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Mike Malatesta: And do you believe that you can be a good manifester if you are not a goal setter or energy or the to.

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Jeff Spencer: interconnect oh I don’t think that that’s possible because if you don’t have a target, how do you get to where.

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Jeff Spencer: How do you get to the finish line because there is no finish line yeah so you know, again we have to also be clear that goal achievement is not goal setting most people think well okay I set the goal and all the experts tell me some outs automatic supposed to backfill.

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Jeff Spencer: and take me to the promised land the finish line that’s not true either there’s a goal setting is one part of the process, but.

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Jeff Spencer: We need to make sure that we are the right goal, because it may not be the right goal, and we need to make sure that we have a structure that allows us to prepare well.

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Jeff Spencer: To then begin pursuing the goal and to understand what the goal pursuit processes from inception to goal completion itself.

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Jeff Spencer: I think most people that’s not almost the consideration, but to me it’s like fundamental and goal achievement is lives fundamental skill, it is absolutely the highest skill, because, again, you cannot.

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Jeff Spencer: You know, as I tell my daughter, you know you’re here on this planet, to be able to showcase your unique gifts and there’s only one of you and all the creation.

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Jeff Spencer: And we kind of have, in my opinion, like a moral obligation to manifest what our gifts are as matter of fact that’s the definition of a champion to me it’s a it’s a gift manifester.

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Jeff Spencer: it’s not a competitor against everybody else but it’s like you know how we developed and do we showcase the skills that were innately given.

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Jeff Spencer: And to me that’s what a champion is and why this board is that it levels, the playing field about the definition the aspiration.

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Jeff Spencer: And another side of this, I think, is really important is that we should never decide in advance the impact or the value of what our goals are in our achievements are because you really don’t know.

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Jeff Spencer: And of course in today’s world you’re supposed to know how you’re going to influence a billion people if you’re not influencing a billion people that it’s not a goal with pursuing I mean that.

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Jeff Spencer: that some people feel like that, like what i’m doing is insignificant well no it’s not it, how can you say that because you know when I was working in a bike shop.

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Jeff Spencer: Guy came in, he was wearing a T shirt That said, USA Olympic team on it, he probably doesn’t even remember wearing the T shirt.

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Jeff Spencer: But I saw the T shirt I wanted the T shirt, the only way, you can get it was to become an Olympian you know, I was called to that as I shared earlier, and so I went home and I got my box of crayons I got a piece of paper and I drew the T shirt that he was wearing.

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Jeff Spencer: And I created a plan how I was going to do it, I was going to work hard, be brave and never make an excuse that was my plan.

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Jeff Spencer: And I faithfully looked at that and follow that for 10 years at a great coach and eventually was an Olympian so my point is here is that every one of us.

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Jeff Spencer: there’s only one of us, in all our creation which uniquely qualifies us to do something of high contribution to humanity.

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Jeff Spencer: And in my opinion, we should never judge the importance of what we do by the magnitude, as we perceive it because it’s always going to be less than we think that it should be that’s, just like the human condition.

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Jeff Spencer: But the fact that this guy wore a T shirt that he doesn’t remember wearing that changed my life forever and he doesn’t even know it.

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Jeff Spencer: So, therefore, I feel that, to develop and have a tranquility of being and to serve a purpose that’s worth getting up to.

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Jeff Spencer: We set a deadly trap for ourself if our trap is comparison against others, has been a criteria by which we decided our value as a human is.

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Jeff Spencer: shared and shown through the goals that we achieve.

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Mike Malatesta: yeah it’s a total loser’s game, because you.

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Jeff Spencer: hundred percent.

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Mike Malatesta: are comparing yourself to others you’re always going to find someone that you feel you don’t compare to oh.

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Jeff Spencer: yeah even if you’re at the top of the pile is still never enough, you know, or maybe this is the wrong thing whatever.

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Jeff Spencer: So I completely agree with you that’s why I feel like it’s really important that we understand that kind of operational definition.

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Jeff Spencer: of success value contribution champion, etc, because I think people have got or the world, as we know it, and what human nature informs us of it as being is an unattainable, something that can’t deliver on the promise of.

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Jeff Spencer: accomplishment.

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Jeff Spencer: At least a momentary senses of satisfaction and self value and self worth as as a contributor.

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Mike Malatesta: Can we and it’s interesting to the T shirt thing insignificant to the guy wearing it, but since you had already established his goal at eight seven.

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Jeff Spencer: yeah it showed out right.

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Mike Malatesta: You just showed up.

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Mike Malatesta: Right you’re looking for it.

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Jeff Spencer: Right you got right.

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Mike Malatesta: yeah looking for this.

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Jeff Spencer: yeah it’s sort of like a car, you know if you’re thinking about buying a car, then all of a sudden that’s the only card that you see when you’re driving around right.

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Jeff Spencer: Yes, the same deal.

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Jeff Spencer: Right so so therefore you know part of this is giving ourselves permission to really entertain what the possibilities that we think are without doing a self edit.

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Jeff Spencer: too soon about our inability or nobody in our families ever done that, before how hard is this going to be, you know, we do have to learn to apply the skill.

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Jeff Spencer: Of uncensored possibility thinking and giving yourself permission to really entertain thoughts that are really there and not to exclude or place of judgment or exclude them, for any reason, in advance of giving them a fair consideration.

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Mike Malatesta: Can you tell me more about the three angels Jeff you mentioned three angels a couple of times.

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Mike Malatesta: I did understand that.

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Jeff Spencer: When I was 13 you know I showed extraordinary ability on a bicycle at 10.

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Jeff Spencer: And that’s how I realized oh so i’m going to become an Olympian it’s going to be cycling, because I didn’t know, I was going to do it.

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Jeff Spencer: But I just showed this freaking nature ability on a bicycle which I didn’t know is there.

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Jeff Spencer: If it’s in you to hear that, then you belong here if you don’t resonate with the conversation when you hear then it’s not in you and I can’t put anything into you.

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Jeff Spencer: And he said, will Intel or something but well and talent don’t make a career learning winning is a learned skill and you’re going to learn the skill of winning.

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Jeff Spencer: While you craft a thoughtful thinking way of looking at it to make really good decisions because you’re around this group of people that are highly committed to remaining national champions and olympians.

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Jeff Spencer: And so that was first angel for sure and teaching one how to win as a skill, which he did really well, I could not have asked her anything more like them that.

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Jeff Spencer: And I did become an Olympian like 10 years later, and that was essential in that, and then, when I was 18.

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Jeff Spencer: And I was enrolled at university of southern California as a scholarship student and I had aspirations of becoming an Olympian I was still three years away from that.

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Jeff Spencer: i’m a second angel through a neighbor of mine by another coincidence, so to speak, but this was my life mentor he was 76 and I was 18 at the time kind of an unusual pairing.

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Jeff Spencer: And he was a renaissance man, he was a university train metallurgist he was a war correspondent World War one he was an author prolific poet playwright.

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Jeff Spencer: And that’s how I met him through that film that they watched and that’s how he chose me to be as apprentice, where I was going to help him.

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Jeff Spencer: Create his glass masterpieces and a sort of an unusual pairing because here we are athletic guy that’s got athletics on the brain.

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Jeff Spencer: that’s all he thinks about it’s always thought about and now you’re choosing him to be your artistic support person to help you create your masterpieces and the value of that Mike was is that during our breaks and lunch by the model scholarship from him and I met with him every weekend.

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Jeff Spencer: He said I need to fill you up on the great philosophers and the great literary or works of history, you need to understand.

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Jeff Spencer: The creative minds and how they think so he filled me with all that stuff and he said I need to fill you up with this stuff.

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Jeff Spencer: And so, again I had that capacity to do that, meaning that nobody can put anything into you that you don’t already have.

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Jeff Spencer: At least an awakening a capacity for and so he filled me up with that, so we had this kind of unique composite we had the athletic warrior type.

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Jeff Spencer: That was in the university and I have a really good mind I was becoming a sports scientist simultaneously, but then the creative artist side of me was being cultivated so those.

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Jeff Spencer: three parts together formed a vision and a lens and a filter, by which I was experiencing and responding to life through there was multi dimensional that actually may be better at all of them had I just spent all my time in one of those particular areas, and then the third.

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Jeff Spencer: And there was a dignity about him the way that he showed up he was immaculately dressed and appointed he had a beautiful.

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Jeff Spencer: command of language with a heavy French accent because he was French and he had a dignity and a non judgment about him that I found very attractive and I wanted to understand the why behind that and so he took.

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Jeff Spencer: A liking, to me, but I found out why he carried this is that he was a World War Two concentration camp survivor.

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Jeff Spencer: Being six years in a concentration camp being exposed to the most obscene human atrocities conceivable but yet he didn’t have a venomous or vindictive bone in his body, this is the most reconciled beautiful human being, that i’ve ever met.

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Jeff Spencer: And so, he taught me humility and he taught me humanity and, that being mixed with the soul side.

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Jeff Spencer: From my creative mentor and the physical side from my Olympic coach it created those three mind body soul components that kind of merged into like a me.

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Jeff Spencer: That had a certain filter that looked at things in a certain way, because those things were cultivated they were awoken within me, and then they were cultivated so that was a very unusual situation for me.

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Mike Malatesta: And Jeff when was it that you recognized that these three individuals were, in fact, as you describe them now angels.

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Jeff Spencer: I mean immediately, because you know I didn’t really know my dad that much before he left when I was 13 I again I always thought that i’m supposed to figure it out for myself because that’s the way i’m.

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Jeff Spencer: You know that’s the way i’m living but I knew that I couldn’t do it alone and I knew that there was a lovely guidance that it couldn’t give myself.

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Jeff Spencer: And I knew they help it was unmistakable how these people showed up you know it could be considered coincident but I don’t think it was, I think it was Providence for sure.

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Jeff Spencer: And I recognize that I give all credit to you know God almighty for putting those people in.

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Jeff Spencer: My life because being such a physical guy there was a lot of frustration that I grew up with I grew up way too fast, having way too much responsibility way too early.

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Jeff Spencer: And, being aware that I am that’s not a good combination for being the most tranquil of people, you know, there was an explosive side to me that I didn’t ask for.

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Jeff Spencer: But I never had the guidance to learn the skills and I just had too much thrown out of me way too fast, that I didn’t ask for.

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Jeff Spencer: And these guys temper me in a way that could harness the energy and the capacity for committing to something and fulfilling it to completion.

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Jeff Spencer: And without them, it would have never happened, but I couldn’t put them in my own way, you know they had to show up which they did, and again the circumstances around mistake that this is more than just chance for sure.

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Mike Malatesta: I think that’s amazing that.

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Mike Malatesta: You recognize it so clearly, because I think so many of us have similar things happen and similar people come into our lives and we.

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Mike Malatesta: Whether it’s a coach or you know something you dislike it and you don’t really ask too many years later that oh my gosh if they were doing, they were giving me a gift and I was doing all I could serve repel the gift and now I think to myself man, if I only opened up.

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Jeff Spencer: To that gift where would I.

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Jeff Spencer: Be yeah for sure, just a quick story, if I could it’s like my artistic good will, my life mentors, shall we say.

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Jeff Spencer: You know, I was having a particularly bad day and he said to me man you look like you’re having a bad day and I said well yeah I haven’t had many good ones, as you all know, from where I came from.

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Jeff Spencer: And he said what would you like a helping hand, I thought to myself oh my God How did this guy do that you know he’s reading my mind, and I said yeah if there was ever a day, where I really needed a helping hand this is it so.

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Jeff Spencer: I graciously accept your offer.

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Jeff Spencer: And he looked at me with these steely blue eyes and he said, if you want a helping hand you got one at the end of each arm and he turned around and walked out of the room.

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Jeff Spencer: And I knew he was right yeah, and so did he.

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Jeff Spencer: And he knew, not to interfere with me being able to solve this through humility, if I could pause long enough to ask the question.

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Jeff Spencer: and be given the guidance to know how to fulfill the vacuum here, he didn’t impose on that because he knew that he would have ruined me petty jumped in and saved me and so just another demonstration of.

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Jeff Spencer: The power of committed you know in loving mentorship that there is no replacement for that, because we may not find it even in our own family.

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Jeff Spencer: Right, you know it may be outside the family, but again, you know, no one can live alone, no one can no one wins alone is not possible, and if we can remain in receivership.

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Jeff Spencer: And we can apply in we’re open to good counsel, then we can shortcut all the challenges that will face in a lifetime and we won’t have to learn things the hard way, unfortunately.

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Jeff Spencer: human nature doesn’t enable that as much as it should, but I was really fortunate to have been given a temperament.

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Jeff Spencer: Where I wouldn’t resist those things that I knew to be true through resonant recognition of what the opportunity was, and so you know again a certain characteristic that was gifted to me that that served me really well.

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Mike Malatesta: And this may not be a great question so forgive me if it’s not when you.

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Mike Malatesta: Over happened there was over which of the three angels were the was the one if there was one that you relied upon the most.

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Mike Malatesta: To take the next step in your life.

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Jeff Spencer: I never thought about that you know I thought that the most important thing for me, was to be in receivership to carry an openness about me.

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Jeff Spencer: That would allow something to land at the right time and I learned very early that if I made these exotic elaborate highly aspirational plans.

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Jeff Spencer: I could get nothing better than that in life and I found that I could get much better than that in life if I remained open to possibility and.

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Jeff Spencer: When things would show up as a possibility, if I could look at them with some level of consideration like this is a good idea, but not for now.

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Jeff Spencer: Or that this is not a good idea ever or, this is a good idea that I should be exploring now, I had the discernment.

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Jeff Spencer: To be able to see that, but I also had the receivership ability i’ve always found that quite honestly it’s important to have.

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Jeff Spencer: Of what life really is and what the circumstances are in the moments, where the action steps are being created to manifest this because you may find I learned this in art that.

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Jeff Spencer: I showed my art eventually in the best galleries in the world, with the best glass artists as an extension of my work with my mentor, by the way, and.

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Jeff Spencer: I found that when you remain open to the creative process you’ll find that the piece of work that you’re working on.

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Jeff Spencer: And I found the university when you always followed that, then you could create an artistic piece, which was far above and beyond what you originally considered possible.

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Jeff Spencer: And I realized well that’s exactly the same thing in life, you know if we have an idea and we pursue it, but yet there’s a little tweak that shows up to suggest that we make a.

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Jeff Spencer: But you’re not giving yourself your own solution you’re just there as an extra cuter faithfully of the new direction, and if you can receive it as a gift.

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Jeff Spencer: Then that’s a pretty easy way to do life, and I do credit that with you know i’m 17 I don’t know what that’s supposed to look or feel like but.

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Jeff Spencer: You know, most of my friends are in their 30s and 40s they’re very ambitious they’ve got great ideas i’m kind of their corner man i’m their North star that.

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Jeff Spencer: That yeah I think it’s added to my level of youthful exuberance and my ability to stay in game, because I never felt like the weight of the world.

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Jeff Spencer: In my success is dependent directly on me struggling I always felt, you know I always going to have enough energy to do a house to go right to manifest something, and if I remain in receivership of these options it just is always worked out really well for me with that.

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Mike Malatesta: Well it’s kind of like your first angel you know sort of seeing that you needed he felt like maybe you needed to be around different kinds of people different kind of.

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Mike Malatesta: Absolutely and.

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Mike Malatesta: When you said, the you know hanging out with 30 and 40 year olds, I have this saying, like, I want to be around people who are winding up not.

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Jeff Spencer: You know what that this perfect I may steal that with you, with your permission i’ll give you full definition for that that’s actually true.

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Mike Malatesta: When you The other thing about the artwork that you said that makes a ton of sense right you set a goal you start moving towards it, and you know all these as you’re moving forward towards the accomplishment of your goal you’re being hit with all these other things that may change.

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Mike Malatesta: Right, then you imagine that the beginning, because you didn’t know all these things that would come at you, before you got started, and I think that.

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Mike Malatesta: A lot of people get scared about starting, but because they they they can imagine the end actually happening, and I said well.

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Jeff Spencer: yeah I see a lot of this has mythology a lot of what we’re told about goal achievement champions life is not right it’s inaccurate it’s been told by people who never live the experience or they.

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Jeff Spencer: That lives a life of joy, you know in excitement of vitality of new always adopt says when a better option shows up.

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Jeff Spencer: Where there’s a tweak to what we’re doing you always give it a thought in a look, and if it’s if there’s a gravity there to follow it, then they always adjust it because that’s what leads the exponential assembly of the right team, but it also what you said there speaks to the fact that.

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Jeff Spencer: If you don’t know where to start it means that you don’t know how to to plan and prepare to pursue a goal that’s what that means to me.

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Jeff Spencer: So there are some things that we do need to know, we do need to learn that there is a structure on goal achievement.

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Jeff Spencer: Which i’ve actually created it’s called the goal achievement roadmap that’s actually a process that i’ve created that shows us how to number one select the right goal.

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Jeff Spencer: You know it’s a big question do we have the right goal there’s all sorts of goals is big hairy audacious goals are smart goals.

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Jeff Spencer: But yeah but isn’t the right one for us at the right time, you know, because if it is, and it gives us a different level of focus a different set of readiness so there’s.

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Jeff Spencer: A whole way of preparing yourself to number one is this the right goal and should I pursue it second question.

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Jeff Spencer: And what do I need to do to get ready to pursue it in advance of pursuing it so unless that preparations been worked out or anxiety still stays high yeah we got to get that as low as possible.

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Jeff Spencer: that’s correct okay exactly that that’s exactly right but but it’s based on a body of evidence it’s not based on a mantra or.

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Jeff Spencer: an affirmation that you’re giving yourself it’s based upon concrete evidence that you’re looking at that confirms your state of readiness and to me readiness is everything so without that and then also knowledge of what the path from goal inception, is to goal completion is.

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Jeff Spencer: Then we put ourselves at risk as well, because many times people talk themselves prematurely out of.

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Jeff Spencer: remaining in pursuit of the goal, because they’re misinterpreting what the experience really is they think well you know it’s getting hard here.

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Jeff Spencer: Are my motivation is worn off therefore wrong goal something wrong with me no it’s not supposed to happen.

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Jeff Spencer: But it’s like if you don’t know what’s supposed to happen then your human nature will talk you into something that it’s not.

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Jeff Spencer: That could potentially you know pull you out of an achievement that’s a personal significance that breeds confidence in you to go for more so I.

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Jeff Spencer: I just feel like this whole idea of goal setting and goal creation I think it’s in many instances back to front and the mythology behind it.

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Jeff Spencer: puts many of us in doubt unnecessarily and puts us in fear and if we’re in fear that it creates avoidance and I think a lot of this is just because the conversation it’s happening isn’t the real conversation of what it really takes to be able to make that happen.

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Mike Malatesta: I, as you were talking, I was thinking to myself yeah you know people.

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Mike Malatesta: You can get started right and you’re like well i’m going to do this call, and still the first until the i’m going to pursue this goal until the first wall shows up when that wall shows up that’s going to be evidence to me that this wasn’t the right.

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Jeff Spencer: yeah see that’s that’s the most ridiculous thing i’ve ever heard in my life.

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Jeff Spencer: You know I mean but but but that’s what human nature does conclude yeah I mean that that’s what it really does conclude, but the champion say say okay great so.

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Jeff Spencer: We got this plan here, where do you anticipate the walls coming up, because there are.

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Jeff Spencer: Certain points where you need to expect that it’s going to get harder it’s going to be here it’s going to be here and that that actually informs you what you need to do that, you couldn’t have conceived of in advance so it’s actually your friend it’s not the enemy.

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Jeff Spencer: But we look at it, as any capability that we if we were only good enough, we should have known this well how are we supposed to know this in advance.

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Jeff Spencer: it’s not like that so again like I think we’re saying the same thing that there’s a reality behind this, but then there’s the mythology of the popular conversation.

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Jeff Spencer: That generally can’t deliver on the promise, because if we look at what history tells us it’s not subscribing to the process by which History tells us to be true that allows us to predictably get from point A to Point B.

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Mike Malatesta: Go or are developed for you to become not just a chiropractor and he but but.

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Mike Malatesta: champion mindset, I mean how, how do you get yourself into a position where I mean you come from a high level right you’re an Olympic athlete of course there’s.

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Mike Malatesta: Credibility there you’ve had these angels around you that really shaped you in different ways, which I found amazing the story about that, but you know, then you’re on your own, you have to write it, what did or did your mentor say you got two hands there at the end.

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Mike Malatesta: Right, so how did, how did you how did you make that happen.

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Jeff Spencer: Well i’ve always had the gift of being able to read the context and knowing what to do next to move things forward towards completion or get into the winner’s circle i’ve always had that forever.

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Jeff Spencer: I just have an ability to size ambition up against context to know the path forward and know what to do now to keep things moving forward i’ve always had that.

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Jeff Spencer: In so the Olympian part of me was Okay, there has to be a certain performance capacity that has to be there and it’s something that can be evolved over time, specific to whoever we are and then.

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Jeff Spencer: Again, following the sort of the tripod that I had being an Olympian I know what it takes to get to the top and stay there, and of course everybody says a lot about a champion, therefore, I can’t go there well you don’t know that.

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Jeff Spencer: You know, are you manifesting your gifts yeah well great well then your champion so let’s not talk ourselves out of something to prematurely so.

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Jeff Spencer: I, I know that and I know that really well you can’t read books about it and be it’s not possible if you’re going to be an advisor, it has to be in your DNA, which, for me it was.

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Jeff Spencer: And so, then, with my academic training, where I got my master’s degree in sports science I knew how to craft, a body.

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Jeff Spencer: That could push and stay in the game over the long term, and if you don’t know the health to push we’re not going to manifest our best life it’s not possible, it takes energy.

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Jeff Spencer: And if we can’t stay in the game over the long term, then we have a short runway making our full and complete legacy impossible so there’s a fitness health side to this that has to be there, you cannot think your way beyond the health challenges that will not enable you to get there.

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Jeff Spencer: And so, with those two things when I started working with athletes win gold medals and business people who want to become their own champion in business.

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Jeff Spencer: Then the athletes said, well, I need to extend my career by not getting injured or coming back quickly and thoroughly.

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Jeff Spencer: And the business people said well how do I not die in my early 40s or late 30s from stroke or heart attacks like i’m seeing happen, how do I not do that.

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Jeff Spencer: And, rather than refer out to the resources that I had it so we’ll go back to school and i’ll get my licensure to handle that side of it which I did and that’s what the chiropractic came into our as a specialist and acute trauma and and wellness care.

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Jeff Spencer: And as top of the pile actually in those things, and so, how that played a role is that, in dealing with individuals and groups.

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Jeff Spencer: I not only knew what had to happen as an individual showing up and what the individual needs to do.

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Jeff Spencer: to capitalize on opportunity and avoid venable problem is, I know how to do that because that’s what that’s what the Olympic experience is about at the highest level, so I I knew that really well.

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Jeff Spencer: And I knew the body part from my academic history, you know my scholastic achievements and then.

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Jeff Spencer: With the health side of it that I learned based upon the requests and the comments from my clients.

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Jeff Spencer: I became a specialist in that, so I eventually developed the ability to see all parts of an individual or a team’s.

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Jeff Spencer: universe in its entirety, both personally and professionally mind body soul and I could see how all the parts were integrating.

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Jeff Spencer: And I could see what should be there that’s not I could see where it’s lopsided I can see where things that shouldn’t be there need to get removed from it.

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Jeff Spencer: I can see where things need to be strengthened, things need to be loosen so all the parts of the system are optimized that creates a harmony that enables exponential performance to happen, I had that ability, because I was a specialist in the hole.

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Jeff Spencer: I was a specialist in a generalization.

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Jeff Spencer: Which is not what the mind was the here the mind wants the specific specialist in the area.

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Jeff Spencer: Okay, great well that’s what a coach is for a coach can help you in a specific area, so when I was working with you to bano had a voice coach great he should.

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Jeff Spencer: But what about the rest of bottles life that would get in the way of his ability to use his voice, who is addressing that well nobody, I mean the voice coach couldn’t help him with that and that was the rest of the ability to use the voice and, if we look at the other side of this.

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Jeff Spencer: Somebody needs to be observing all the parts and, if we look at let’s take the movie rocky or creed right rocky had Mickey the old guy in his corner that have seen everything in life.

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Jeff Spencer: And when Mickey was slugging it out in the ring you know taken all the body blows and stuff kind of sounds like life doesn’t it.

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Jeff Spencer: So while someone is taking the body blows and on the verge of getting knocked out in life.

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Jeff Spencer: You know Mickey or a Mickey equivalent could be telling them in real time what to do to avoid the punch to stay in the game to eventually transcend it.

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Jeff Spencer: And that’s the coach kind of can’t do that that’s an older person’s wisdom at play that’s reading a pattern, they can extract what to do, specific to that situation.

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Jeff Spencer: And that’s like what I do you know takes about 60 years to get there, to have a broad based ability to have the capacity for doing what Mickey did for rocky or what rocky dig for create in the movie because, at a certain point.

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Jeff Spencer: Well, as we evolve we’re making a lot of assumptions on what we believe it to be that haven’t been tested yet, and there may be no historical evidence for it, and if we.

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Jeff Spencer: Learn it the hard way that may cost us a decade or two of last time due to the errors that we created through our presumption that wasn’t true.

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Jeff Spencer: So maybe it’s a really good idea to have somebody that understands life in its totality that can look at your universe and decipher where are.

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Jeff Spencer: The mines in the minefield of your life that you don’t see that if you don’t avoid they could blow you up you know, so we I think it’s really important that.

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Jeff Spencer: sure we have our coaches for the nuances that the specific slices of the pie.

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Jeff Spencer: We have mentors that have a little bit more bandwidth you know, I have a health mentor i’ve got a life mentor i’ve got a business mentor that’s great, but what about the rest of your life.

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Jeff Spencer: You know that’s maybe a quarter or half the pie, what about the rest of the pie, well then, you need the corner man.

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Jeff Spencer: That seeing everything that knows what to do with the parts are there too many parts here, you know, is this lopsided.

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Jeff Spencer: What do I do now i’m on the verge of crisis, how do I, avoid the preventable problems, I cannot run my blind spots, so do I really want to blow myself up to discover them.

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Jeff Spencer: Well, know that that’s where this kind of other rare species of advisor the corner man comes into it and that’s what I do you know and it’s been crafted over the last 60 years.

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Jeff Spencer: Being a performer at the highest level and working with people that play at the highest level in all disciplines and that’s what I do like really well I feel like that generalist is maybe it’s the hardest person to find for sure.

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Jeff Spencer: But, yet I think it’s the integrator of all the parts that can make all the advice of all the experts doable in a person’s life.

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Mike Malatesta: Do you find that as you’re talking about this i’m thinking about my mom.

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Jeff Spencer: yeah.

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Mike Malatesta: With her medical conditions.

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Mike Malatesta: So she’s going to a specialist for this and a specialist for this in a specialist specialist none of those specialists speak to one another.

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Jeff Spencer: that’s correct.

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Mike Malatesta: So they’re each looking at one little you know little I said.

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Jeff Spencer: Important slice of the pie yeah.

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Mike Malatesta: yeah you said a component, but nobody saying oh Jane Is this really is everybody acting coach you know, in your collaborative.

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Jeff Spencer: best interest right crash you.

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Mike Malatesta: where you want to be in the answer is no, because one systems not set up for that to your she’s not asking for it and three none of them know what the others are prescribing or.

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Mike Malatesta: Correct to do, or whatever, and is it so you’re saying they said, if I hear you right you what you’re doing is you’re.

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Mike Malatesta: you’re not saying those people aren’t needed you’re saying Someone needs to work with the athlete or the executive or other high performer to say what’s the goal here.

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Mike Malatesta: Are all of these people that are working with you, contributing to the goal, and how can or can I help manage this process to get you to the goal with all the other resources, you need.

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Jeff Spencer: Yes, be because the the the alchemy of this says is that when you have the fewest number of parts in that system, the fewest number of experts that are essential correct yeah.

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Jeff Spencer: And you’re extracting that percentage of what they’re bringing to it in a way that potential creates through synergy all the other essential parts and no more.

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Jeff Spencer: than they become a superset that allows exponential things to happen that’s how gold medals are one is called coherence there one through coherence.

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Jeff Spencer: A parts being optimized not perfect, but they optimize in a potential output greater than the sum of the parts and.

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Jeff Spencer: that’s also applies to spontaneous healing you know spontaneous healing is the product, a body harmony we’re all the parts of the body are now working together as an integrated whole.

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Jeff Spencer: And that’s always the missing link in this, and so, therefore, there has to be an orchestra conductor that can see how the different parts.

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Jeff Spencer: Well, first off what are the essential parts in what recommendation from those parts would facilitate and Center dies in potential the combined collective capacity of the system.

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Jeff Spencer: To enable exponential yeah and that’s like what I do like you need this person here this person’s advice.

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Jeff Spencer: 30% of it is correct let’s not worry about the other 70% will by what authority, are you telling me that well number one i’ve been in the business, I was an Olympian so I know what it takes to win number two.

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Jeff Spencer: i’m a sports scientist, the body is a body, whether you’re an athlete or not still the same thing.

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Jeff Spencer: And I know a lot about health care, because I spent you know 22 years in clinical practice, while I was doing all this other stuff so.

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Jeff Spencer: We can know how to assemble this so all the parts are working together it’s like a happy family right right if you get everybody doing their job enough it doesn’t have to be perfect.

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Jeff Spencer: But let’s just make sure you pick up your underpants off the floor and then you’ll put your dishes away as long as everybody’s doing that optimize thing we’re not chase perfection, then you have a family that can watch TV together without it being World War three.

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Jeff Spencer: You know so.

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Jeff Spencer: that’s kind of what we’re we’re looking for, so therefore the corner man I just took that because.

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Jeff Spencer: rocky had Mickey the old guidance corner right corner man okay great corner man is watching your back when you’re in the ring slugging it out, we all need that look a lot of people.

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Jeff Spencer: have got millions of advisors that are giving bits and pieces of the information, but they don’t have anybody that’s looking at things in real time.

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Jeff Spencer: that, taken as a whole and providing advice in real time as to how to capitalize an opportunity and avoid preventable problem, so it to me.

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Jeff Spencer: Without that there’s a huge huge huge risk of inefficiency and talking ourselves into things that aren’t real you know, so I just feel like the corner man it’s got to be a consideration there for sure.

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Mike Malatesta: Can I so there’s so many things I want to ask you about that, and I know we don’t have time for all Jeff but I you mentioned early on that your mentor second angel I think it was who helped you with.

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Mike Malatesta: You know your temperament say so maybe.

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Mike Malatesta: You know, maybe flew off the handle that was your approach to things that were stressful or something and i’m.

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Mike Malatesta: wondering with.

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Mike Malatesta: With the athletes that you deal with and the executives that you deal with how frequently you find temperament to be something that you need to work on.

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Jeff Spencer: With them well, I think the couple you’ve said a couple times champions mindset it.

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Jeff Spencer: Just like to adjust a couple things here so say that.

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Jeff Spencer: You know, we we as humans, we have certain biology that we all share that’s just part of the physicality we all have the same organ systems, we all have a brain, we all have you know normally five fingers and five toes etc.

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Jeff Spencer: But in my opinion, we also we have two mentalities that make up our human nature.

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Jeff Spencer: The first mentality is what I call the human mindset.

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Jeff Spencer: it’s a mindset because it’s rigid and it’s fixed it’s not modifiable and sometimes we refer to that as human nature.

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Jeff Spencer: and human nature is very predictable in its response to certain conditions and the human nature response, in my opinion, is based upon default beliefs, that we have meaning, there are certain things that we believe to be true, because we’re human.

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Jeff Spencer: Like, for example, like, I had a streak and good fortune and because I got the wind at my back I need to ride this wave, as long as possible, so let’s keep pushing.

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Jeff Spencer: Well, you know champions that don’t think like that you’ve had you know good fortune, maybe it should pull back and rust up a little bit and replenish your resources and your energy in rest your team up without pushing ahead too fast, because if you’re running on fumes in your team.

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Jeff Spencer: You create a mutiny because you’re not resting your team too fast it’s probably a really bad idea, but yet it seems right to human nature right.

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Jeff Spencer: Or if I want it bad enough it’s going to happen well that’s not true either it’ll happen if you have the skill set and your timing is good any other rights support.

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Jeff Spencer: But just because you think that’s not a guarantee so or love conquers all well, I mean it’s sort of does in a God sense for sure that.

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Jeff Spencer: Only to say that a lot of times I know this because of our adopted daughter my daughter was adopted at the age of 10.

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Jeff Spencer: is very unusual adoption and there are certain things that just were that are that are tangible to her and her developmental upbringing.

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Jeff Spencer: No matter how much I loved her, she was going to have to fight part of her life battle based upon things that I had no influence over and she didn’t ask for.

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Jeff Spencer: You know the certain point, we have to kind of step on the field ourselves so there’s a this human mindset is rigid and it’s fixed.

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Jeff Spencer: And it’s pretty darn stubborn and it’s based on survival survival instinct is our most primal instinct both to survive physically and.

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Jeff Spencer: And and psychically should we say, well, how do I know that Jeff well number one have you ever slipped on the ice and your hand knows where to put itself to break a fall.

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Jeff Spencer: Okay well that’s a survival instinct faster than you can think, and you know in survival situations we better have something that’s faster than we can think to save us okay well, what about the mentality side okay well.

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Jeff Spencer: Have you ever thought anything that when said would be just awesome and you said it and you realize it was the worst thing you could have ever said.

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Jeff Spencer: And it came out of your mouth so fast you wish, you could take it back demanded it Sir seemed like at that moment that you said it.

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Jeff Spencer: Okay well where did that come from you know that wasn’t really your champion side what came from me that’s correct but.

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Jeff Spencer: what’s the how to work out well not so well, it just ruin a relationship forever okay so well then, where did that come from.

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Jeff Spencer: Well, it was a survival instinct for my human mindset, to protect itself when it fell under threat okay great so we have that part of us that you can’t shut off it’s there 24 hours a day it’s part of our biology it’s just there.

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Jeff Spencer: The champion side, we have a champions mind it’s not a mindset, the champions mind is not rigid the champions mind is thoughtful they can.

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Jeff Spencer: receive it can interpret it can edit it can store and it can transmit information and actions thoughtfully.

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Jeff Spencer: And we all have that part to us, but because it’s not survival it doesn’t get first dibs at every moment, but it does get the final say, therefore.

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Jeff Spencer: If we apply historically what the evidence tells us that when applied leads the predicted outcome that nudges us closer towards the life of excellence and goal achievement.

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Jeff Spencer: that’s what our champions mind is but because it’s not survival it doesn’t get first dibs, but it does override the human mindset and one more thing, if I may.

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Jeff Spencer: Is if you ever felt conflicted in life, like this background conflict that Sarah like 24 hours a day should are should I.

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Jeff Spencer: How can I feel this, but then I want to do that, I feel like there’s this background tug of war well that’s the tug of war between.

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Jeff Spencer: Your human mindset, the richness that we’re all born with that you can’t shut off that gets first dibs.

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Jeff Spencer: versus our champions mind that wants to create that life of excellence for you, that does get final say.

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Jeff Spencer: When the historical things that lead to the predicted outcomes are applied, and so I just kind of wanted to say that.

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Jeff Spencer: We need to have a fundamental understanding of that first, because if we don’t understand that we have kind of two parts in nature’s within us that are battling.

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Jeff Spencer: For control over our decision making, then we may identify ourselves with the human mindset as being us well that’s our biology that we didn’t ask for.

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Jeff Spencer: And it doesn’t have to be the US, but it will be, if we take action on it.

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Jeff Spencer: And we believe that to be us and if that’s the case will don’t plan on having a life of much value of contribution, because you can’t get there if whatever you’re doing is based on survival.

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Jeff Spencer: The only way, you can get there is by overriding that and do the things that history has shown that when apply can get us to where you want to get to so I just want to interject that.

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Mike Malatesta: Maya, thank you for that and I.

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Mike Malatesta: yeah as you were talking, I was thinking myself, it is so the champions mind, then, is it really is, this is a learned is a learned skill that allows you.

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Mike Malatesta: In the temperance example, for example, for temperance thing, for example, allows you to pause.

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Jeff Spencer: To consider is.

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Mike Malatesta: How you’re going to.

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Mike Malatesta: choose to consider and choose how you’re going to respond or do I have that all wrong Jeff.

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Jeff Spencer: No, no, do you have just seen it was just a little adjustment here, he said it’s not learned it’s not that that’s an eight it’s it’s innate in that we have to but, but we have to apply it, we have to apply it, for it to be real and if it’s not applied, then you’re human mindset.

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Jeff Spencer: In those things that we believe to be true that don’t deliver on the promise I mean how many things have we done that we thought should deliver on something and it doesn’t.

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Jeff Spencer: You know, like oh this person yeah, this is the most beautiful person, where I want to marry this person.

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Jeff Spencer: Then two weeks later you’re thinking what was, I think this is the stupidest thing ever heard of well why was, I think you know well that’s a good question.

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Jeff Spencer: it’s because you’re human mindset, how to gravitate towards that.

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Jeff Spencer: And then your champions mindset well hey hold on a second here, this may not be advisable, so rather than take immediate action on it, like every all the experts tell us to do.

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Jeff Spencer: Maybe we should pause here and really looking at to let things cool off a little bit so it’s it’s innate within us, but it has to be applied.

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Jeff Spencer: To be maintained, where our human mindset our default survival impulses are free and they control the conversation without an override by the conscious application that is identified in applied.

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Jeff Spencer: that’s, the only way we can make bigger or normal rather than the occasional exception all right.

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Mike Malatesta: Thank you for that.

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Jeff Spencer: yeah thanks for giving me the opportunity to kind of fill in that gap there yeah.

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Mike Malatesta: Two things I have for you, before we end Jeff first.

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Mike Malatesta: you describe the relationship, a little bit with your dad and how he was out of the picture at 13 and you, you sort of talked about 60 years of wisdom that you’ve accumulated.

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Mike Malatesta: You know, to do the work that you do, and you know I wondered because he also wait if I got my math right also about 60 years before you.

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Mike Malatesta: You know, had your daughter adopted your.

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Jeff Spencer: Your does 50 I was 5858 at the time.

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Mike Malatesta: or daughter yeah i’m just wondering to myself how.

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Mike Malatesta: Just how incredible of a of a experience that that has been for you, because coming out of just there’s a lot of things there I know we don’t have time to get into all of that stuff but i’m just curious how that’s changed you.

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Jeff Spencer: Well, thank you for sure the the greatest.

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Jeff Spencer: contribution in my life ever for sure, also the hardest.

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Jeff Spencer: And so, when I was 58 my wife and I were considering adoption proud of that, and again it was something that occurred to us and I give everything a look as though she.

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Jeff Spencer: And we agree that this is something that we need to pursue here, which we did, and so we went through all the paperwork and all the stuff that it took to kind of formalize the process.

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Jeff Spencer: and

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Jeff Spencer: So we pursued a an international adoption, we went to Columbia.

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Jeff Spencer: The.

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Jeff Spencer: Calling that that led to the adoption, when we went there and took.

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Jeff Spencer: Legal possession of her daughter, she was 10 at the time, so she had a massive head start on us and coming from rural Columbia, where thug life rules.

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Jeff Spencer: As I told my wife, when we got back to California, I said look.

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Jeff Spencer: She doesn’t speak any English, so we don’t speak Spanish, we have no language.

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Jeff Spencer: We just adopted this you know 10 year old.

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Jeff Spencer: That comes from a very difficult background, to say the least.

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Jeff Spencer: I said she hasn’t really no school like you know we’re here in America by the age of three months, you know what graduate school you’re gonna apply to you know you’re already enrolled in your gra curriculum.

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Mike Malatesta: yeah right.

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Jeff Spencer: And we have nothing we have no land, well, I guess, we have three sign language words like quiet sleep and hungry that we that’s where we started.

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Jeff Spencer: She has no school and she has severe ptsd and ADHD from getting beaten up and worse, you know, for the first 10 years of her life being bounced around.

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Jeff Spencer: You know, in the foster care system where they pack 20 kids in a room together, I mean it’s like.

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Jeff Spencer: A parasitic ridden body ADHD.

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Jeff Spencer: I mean, this is a formidable foe I mean this is not an average situation here yeah and i’ve.

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Mike Malatesta: seen and experienced right.

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Jeff Spencer: yeah I look here’s the deal, you know when she learned that she was being adopted by an American couple she thought America was.

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Jeff Spencer: Some city around the corner, from where she grew up she didn’t know there wasn’t America she didn’t even know it, you know the lights at night.

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Jeff Spencer: From airplanes flying overhead she thought, those were stars she’d never been in an elevator never seen a movie ever had a hot a warm shower.

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Jeff Spencer: I mean we’re talking about severe deprivation, except for learning to be the ultimate survivor which she was raised as a cheat a liar and a frickin criminal.

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Jeff Spencer: Like what else is there to do, I mean, how are you going to feed yourself, you know, and she told me Daddy me Jeff for father, Dr father, but i’m for sure her soul father.

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Jeff Spencer: She used to pick gum up.

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Jeff Spencer: From the street or pull it off the bottom of the Chair and chew it to stave off hunger pains, because if the family couldn’t even give her a cookie for a birthday, I mean we’re talking serious deprivation here but managed to survive, or a man wish you good at the skills and she learned.

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Jeff Spencer: And so I said to my wife.

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Jeff Spencer: Because this is not an average situation in because our ambition is not to save a life, our job or ambition was to manifest a potential.

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Jeff Spencer: Because everybody’s got one that was that was our commitment and because i’m a gold medal sort of guy i’m not about bronze or silver medals i’m about gold medals in our gold medal for her is that for me to do this to be your father.

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Jeff Spencer: And for my wife to be the mother that she deserved to have to be given a chance to this i’m going to need to starting tomorrow.

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Jeff Spencer: I need to spend 90% of my professional availability starting tomorrow and the income that goes with it, that starts tomorrow, because we have to deliver on our promise to her.

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Jeff Spencer: So that’s what we did in my wife cried every day for nine years and 10 months it was so difficult.

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Jeff Spencer: But my daughter’s behavior she didn’t ask for that that was imposed upon her by people.

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Jeff Spencer: And I felt that there was something in there, that that.

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Jeff Spencer: If it be god’s will that that could be addressed enough to give her a chance to manifest to she could potentially come and that’s what I was called to this is just another Olympic event for me.

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Jeff Spencer: But only 10 times as hard you know the Olympics was easy you just pedal faster than you know 360 million Americans and you go, so you know.

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Jeff Spencer: Okay.

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Jeff Spencer: So we check that box and now I got it now, we have this situation here so it’s been 12 years now, that in she graduated from college very proud to say year ago.

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Jeff Spencer: And so, that was a massive I mean we had a staff of 30 people that seem to psychologists I call, I mean soccer coaches, there were tutors.

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Jeff Spencer: I mean there was seemed like we had 30 people keeping her in the game not doing our work for her because of the depravity of her readiness was so deprives.

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Jeff Spencer: It took everything that we had to do that that’s Okay, too, you know, and so what I learned from this is number one you can love anybody.

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Jeff Spencer: You don’t need a special situation it’s not you know if I give this I get it’s not that no you decide that you’re going to love, whoever it is you just do it, you don’t need a special reason to do that.

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Jeff Spencer: It doesn’t need to be your blood, it can be anybody you just make a decision.

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Jeff Spencer: The other thing that I learned is that you must have explicit trust and process, because for us if we could get through one day.

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Jeff Spencer: Without a catastrophe that was a great day we couldn’t we had no vision of tomorrow, it was too much, all we needed to do is get through today if we get through today, then that’s all we can ask for, and so there has to be explicit trust and process.

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Jeff Spencer: The other thing that I learned from this is that, whatever it takes to keep momentum moving forward you do it, you do not hold back on anything that you think you may need in the future for that which needs to be addressed today, so there were times, where.

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Jeff Spencer: You know, there were certain things that were required from a financial perspective that were extraordinary, to say the least.

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Jeff Spencer: But I knew that I could not hold back on anything for later because the key to future was what happened now, so there had to be an explicit trust.

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Jeff Spencer: In process, and you have to learn to go all in on things not being reckless or trying to barter with.

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Jeff Spencer: God or the universe that you’ll give if you get something back in return, you don’t do that you show up.

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Jeff Spencer: He do it has to go right faithfully and you know what it comes from, that is a sense of invincibility.

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Jeff Spencer: Because I really felt like sort of feel this like right now there’s nothing that can hurt me, what do you do call me a name.

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Jeff Spencer: You know strip away something it’s not going to hurt me i’m sorry it’s like there’s nothing I haven’t faced already.

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Jeff Spencer: And a lot of this stuff that you think that you need you don’t, and so I was stripped to the bone on everything.

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Jeff Spencer: And that’s Okay, because it’s like all I need is a cotton the corn, I need a really top flight bicycle so I can ride every day.

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Jeff Spencer: And I need a computer where I can interface with people that I can love and care about that rely on my advice to help get them to the promised land keep them there.

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Jeff Spencer: I don’t need a lot, you know so there’s an invisibility comes along with that i’ll also say that you also learned that there’s always enough energy to do anything.

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Jeff Spencer: You know, if you do things on behalf of other people there’s always enough energy where energy becomes sparse is where everything is in one’s own self interest.

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Jeff Spencer: You know if life is only about you and satisfying your own fears to have more than you need to feel comfortable and confident in life you’re going to feel empty.

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Jeff Spencer: You know you’re always going to need energy because it takes a lot of energy to worry about all these things you know.

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Jeff Spencer: there’s a certain simplicity here that that that does matter in it is required, and probably the most important thing that I learned in all of this is that you never discount the possibility of a miracle, you have to hold.

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Jeff Spencer: space for a miracle and don’t decide what it’s going to be in advance, you dedicate yourself to stand in the game and doing whatever it takes to stay in the game with honor and.

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Jeff Spencer: If a miracle be available you petition for it, we pray for it, but you don’t command it into existence, because that’s against the rules.

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Jeff Spencer: You got to show up completely in a place of surrender in subservience in a receptivity to guidance to do the right thing and say the right thing to do the right thing, day in and day out, and you know, for us it, it was 10 years.

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Jeff Spencer: To get to the point where.

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Jeff Spencer: That breakout that a miracle occurred enough to know that my daughter is going to make it.

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Jeff Spencer: And so that’s to me the most important thing that I can share with anybody, you know their tactic life issues that we need for sure, but at the end of the day is.

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Jeff Spencer: kind of about us and how we show up in one last thing i’ll add to this is that the one thing you got to ask yourself every day before you start engaging people places and things you got to decide how you’re going to show up.

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Jeff Spencer: You know, are you going to show up and take your personal stuff with you.

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Jeff Spencer: Or are you going to show up and give everything the best of what you’ve got unconditionally no bartering whatsoever, I think it’s the latter for sure.

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Jeff Spencer: Because people deserve to have the best of what you’ve got when you show up from that when there’s other levels of concern and you’re providing your.

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Jeff Spencer: I call it obligation to humanity, then you know, at the end of the day, whatever happens, I could die right now.

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Jeff Spencer: If I died, right now, I know that there’s nothing more I could have done, possibly it’s not possible right, you know when I showed up Wagner, I did everything that I could.

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Jeff Spencer: write it whatever I don’t have it’s like I don’t really need i’m okay with that because I feel like the scorecard.

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Jeff Spencer: For whatever was and I didn’t do it to get the scorecard brownie button I didn’t do it for that reason, you know I did it because.

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Jeff Spencer: It was the right thing to do, as I saw it that’s it and if I nobody could ask anything more of me from that.

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Jeff Spencer: So, again had my daughter had people show up differently, for her the challenges that she faces in terms of the.

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Jeff Spencer: The brutality in the in humanity would that was imposed upon her the consequences and effects of that she wouldn’t have to deal with just the normal stuff that we all have to deal with so other than that it was a pretty average experience yeah.

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Mike Malatesta: Thank you for putting that.

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Mike Malatesta: weight on the end of it Jeff Thank you so much for sharing that.

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Mike Malatesta: welcome an amazing story and i’m so happy to hear that she’s doing.

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Mike Malatesta: She is exceptional she’s got obviously two angels, and you and your wife and i’m sure many others, because you mentioned all the other people who contributed to to helping her and she’ll become an angel to many, many people.

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Jeff Spencer: I don’t doubt that Thank you my.

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Mike Malatesta: Jeff last question you you when people hear that you work with you know these tiger woods land so i’m all these big names they might think oh my gosh, how could I ever work with Jeff I mean yeah I don’t compare you know, there we talked about comparing yourself to other people.

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Jeff Spencer: yeah.

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Mike Malatesta: He currently sitting up like.

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Mike Malatesta: way out of my League, but what what does somebody need what what is, what are the characteristics of someone that you that that that you can work with.

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Jeff Spencer: that’s great question well first off it’s like I only make my decisions about the merits of.

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Jeff Spencer: The person, as I see it, at that moment in time, my decision on who i’m going to engage with a not.

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Jeff Spencer: is not just about your level of notoriety it’s not about that you know, there are certain people in my opinion.

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Jeff Spencer: You know, like, I have a scholarship patient right now that i’m client that i’m working with like right now she was like chained to a bed for.

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Jeff Spencer: You know, for seven years as a kid and so you know she’s a scholarship client of mine, because I feel like you got to show up.

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Jeff Spencer: And she’s brilliant, by the way, she’s a PhD candidate she’s brilliant I mean she’s like she’s genius in like there’s a time where you got to step into people’s lives, you know it’s not about the pedigree.

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Jeff Spencer: In my opinion, you know it’s like again, are you showing up in service to that what you’re called to do and so.

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Jeff Spencer: You know the criteria that that’s important for me is that.

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Jeff Spencer: You know number one.

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Jeff Spencer: If you’re not coachable and you want it your way then forget it.

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Jeff Spencer: If.

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Jeff Spencer: you’re not committed to doing whatever it takes in have staying power it’s just not a good fit.

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Jeff Spencer: If you’re sincere.

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Jeff Spencer: And you’re able to commit 100% my body soul and financially and find a way.

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Jeff Spencer: Then you’re a great consideration and we go through several different points of conversation to get to a place of formal enrollment.

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Jeff Spencer: To make sure that we’re not being premature on anything to make sure that we’ve got the right fit etc, because I really care about people in it’s like I really care about my clients.

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Jeff Spencer: You know, and the responsibility to that and the privilege of kind of being the holders to the path to their bigger future and their legacy that that’s an honor that I think is a highest honor that can be stowed upon anybody.

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Jeff Spencer: And so that’s that so what what I offer here is that just sniff around check me out, you know I guess i’m.

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Jeff Spencer: somewhere on Google just check it out, then you can go to my website.

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Jeff Spencer: Dr Jeff Smith, Dr Jeff Spencer calm and you could it’s a simple website you’re not going to see all these accolades and you know how great it isn’t gonna be like that, and if there’s a.

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Jeff Spencer: resonance you’d like to have a conversation of some sort, then you fill out an application it’s really simple right upper right hand corner you click apply and then you fill out an application you send it to me, and when I get it.

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Jeff Spencer: If I feel that it warrants a conversation then we’ll find a time to have a short introductory conversation and we’ll see.

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Jeff Spencer: what’s there and how I might be able to be of service to you by far the best way to do it and if you’d like to look at.

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Jeff Spencer: Some of the models that i’ve created that we’ve alluded here to and the conversation Mike that you and i’ve had you can go to www before you went calm be.

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Jeff Spencer: Fr E y O U wi n.com and there’ll be some models a few videos that you can watch etc, you can go to YouTube check me out instagram there are some things out there as well.

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Jeff Spencer: thanks for the opportunity to share right away yeah my pleasure thing.

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Mike Malatesta: I you know, I just want to end by by thanking you.

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Mike Malatesta: For the like the you know you’re.

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Mike Malatesta: There are some people that.

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Mike Malatesta: want to want to want to come across as if they’re.

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Mike Malatesta: They know it all and what’s what I found amazing about this conversation with you as someone who’s got the 60 years to be the great corner man that you are who knows you know you you’ve done all the research, you know the all the work all the study you’ve proven yourself beyond.

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Mike Malatesta: What most people could even dream to prove themselves on but you’re you you just come across with such grace and humility, not only that so many people in your position, I find.

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Mike Malatesta: Their like soundbite after soundbite after soundbite after soundbite about you know these things that make them special or make you special if you weren’t with them, and you, you know you’re you’re like preparation courage for preparation, you know you know.

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Mike Malatesta: All of these, this is what it really.

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Mike Malatesta: yeah.

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Mike Malatesta: I just been impressed by the way that you handle yourself and the way that you come across.

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it’s it’s it’s.

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Mike Malatesta: Well it’s easy to listen to, first of all, but it’s extremely powerful, most of all, and I just want to thank you so much for coming on the show spending so much time with me and my listeners and really imparting some fabulous wisdom and I wish you tremendous success.

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Mike Malatesta: And thank you for what you, you and your wife did for maddie and you know gave her an opportunity that.

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Mike Malatesta: Just amazing so.

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Jeff Spencer: That will thank thanks for saying that you know as far as the very generous thoughts about the.

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01:17:32.310 –> 01:17:40.200
Jeff Spencer: The conversation is just purely channeling you know i’m just sharing through the experience as its unfolded and there’s certainly more chapters to comment.

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Jeff Spencer: i’ll just finish up by saying thanks again Mike for the opportunity and and also to the listeners here is that.

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Jeff Spencer: You know there’s always room at the top, for the best, and you know our best is manifesting our gifts.

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Jeff Spencer: And as long as we’re doing that that’s how we make that contribution that impacts, you know billions of people for all of eternity and let’s not.

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01:17:59.070 –> 01:18:04.800
Jeff Spencer: discount the value of what our gifts are and the contribution that they’re making because you know what we really don’t know.

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Jeff Spencer: And the one thing that we have power over is our ability to show up and cultivate and grow our capacity for being able to share that with others and why that’s important is that.

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Jeff Spencer: it’s how we honor our pastor this dimension it’s also how we say thank you to our fans our friends, our family our mentors our benefactors etc, and probably the most important reason why that’s important is that it shows other people what’s possible so thanks Mike for the opportunity.

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Mike Malatesta: Dr Jeff Spencer, thank you.