Kien Vuu, MD, Stop Chasing Purpose And Start Living It (#204)

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Kien Vuu, MD – also known as Doctor V – is an assistant professor of Health Sciences at UCLA, speaker, media expert, and the founder of VuuMD Performance and Longevity. Kien Vuu believes you are your own best medicine and is on a mission to empower people to reclaim their health and live an abundant life. If you look at Dr. V today, you see a healthy peak performer that is making a positive impact on others, but was it always like this? It sure wasn’t.
Kien Vuu’s life had a challenging start: he immigrated to the United States from Vietnam as an infant, he survived 8 months on a boat, 3 months in a Philippine refugee camp, before finally arriving in the U.S. with no money.

Fast forward several years and Kien Vuu was the chief of Interventional Radiology at a hospital, bought his dream house and car. He was living the American dream, but deep down he was unfulfilled. When looking at himself in the mirror, he realized he had focused so strongly to achieve success that his relationships and health took a hit, so much so that he was diagnosed with type 2 diabetes and hypertension.

THRIVE STATE: Achieving Optimal Health, Longevity, and Peak Performance

What Dr. V experienced is a very common scenario in today’s society, where the traditional path of “no sleep & hard work” is seen as the recipe for success. Don’t get me wrong, being able to be disciplined and grind are necessary character traits to possess to achieve success, but sacrificing your health and relationships leads to an unconscious lifestyle, with everything that follows. What if you could achieve a state of optimal health, longevity, and peak performance, that would enable you to show up at your best in everything you do, including business?

That’s what Dr. Kien Vuu, MD describes as Thrive State, and it’s a holistic and time-tested approach to achieving optimal cellular longevity & performance, combining ancestral wisdom and modern medicine. You can learn more about it in his book, Thrive State.

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Podcast with Kien Vuu, MD. Stop Chasing Purpose And Start Living It.

How’d It Happen – Dr. Kien Vuu, MD

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Hey everybody welcome back to the how to happen podcast i’m so happy to have you here again and i’ve got a great guest, so I am not going to disappoint another tremendous success story, Dr key and food joins me on the podcast today, Dr V welcome.

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Kien Vuu: Thank you, it is a pleasure to be able to show.

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Mike Malatesta: yeah i’ve been looking forward to this for a while we’ll get into his book and stuff, but let me, let me take you through his bio because after I read his book, I thought oh my God, this is such a great this is you guys are gonna love this anyway.

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Mike Malatesta: This is a short bio.

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Mike Malatesta: Dr Kim vu Popper popularly known as Dr V is an assistant professor of health sciences at UCLA he’s also a speaker media expert and founder of vu md performance and longevity am I saying that correctly, I just want to make.

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Mike Malatesta: Right okay super Dr V survived remarkable odds, to be here today and will learn all about those today, although Dr V was first trained in interventional and diagnostic.

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Mike Malatesta: it’s radiation right.

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Mike Malatesta: radiology radiology.

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Mike Malatesta: Which is interesting.

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Mike Malatesta: we’ll figure out what that is today he directs a concierge practice to help his clients notice the use of clients and not patients, well done optimize their health and he believes that you are your best medicine and I agree.

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Mike Malatesta: Dr V is the author of thrive state your blueprint for optimal health longevity and peak performance he’s also the host of the thrive state podcast a popular tedx speaker and a self described goofball who loves to laugh.

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Mike Malatesta: You can follow Dr V on instagram at Ki ng K, ie and the you you md and on his website at www dot key and vu COM.

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Mike Malatesta: So, Dr V, is it Okay, so is that what we should call you.

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Kien Vuu: yeah Dr V side.

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Mike Malatesta: OK cool so let’s get started.

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Mike Malatesta: here’s the question I start with and I asked us if everybody, how did it happen for you.

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Kien Vuu: About five years ago I.

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Kien Vuu: Remember one morning looking looking myself in the mirror.

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Kien Vuu: And I didn’t like them, then I become.

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Kien Vuu: Where was I at this point, I was the chief of interventional radiology at my hospital, I was asked to speak of the D advances in interventional radiology all around the world, I have.

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Kien Vuu: You know, bought my dream House I had my dream car and you would maybe ask right now, why would I look into the mirror and not like the person that come well just a few months before that moment.

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Kien Vuu: You know I had shoulder surgery, and I wasn’t sure if I was able to add to actually do.

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Kien Vuu: Some of the procedures or do my career at all, so there was that that happened I lost it was uncle the cancer, a person I thought I was going to marry, let me for another man.

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Kien Vuu: Or why was that the case, well, it was a case because I had spent so hard striving to achieve success that I was not really present with my patients with myself and with my loved ones.

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Kien Vuu: And it was right around that time, when I was looking at myself in the mirror just the week before I had gotten some labs back that said that I was diabetic hemoglobin a one cf seven.

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Kien Vuu: I had also had high blood pressure and i’d also needed prescription medications to treat both of those conditions, as well as being overweight, as well as not being able to sleep very well, and so, therefore, as this doctor who you know.

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Kien Vuu: takes care of other people’s health, I was not able to myself and I didn’t like the man i’d become and I remember that, one day, what i’m looking at myself in the mirror and not liking, what I saw saw back, I remember rounding the hospital that day and.

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Kien Vuu: I was just really, really in a dark place because, again, you know here, I was this doctor with disease myself and here you know I didn’t feel like I had anyone that I was really connected with.

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Kien Vuu: That and I felt like a flawed because I had disease, and I remember.

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Kien Vuu: You know i’m picking up the chart to see this next patient and in the chart it said to drain 10 liters of fluid from this guy named Ishmael a 43 year old male with pancreatic cancer.

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Kien Vuu: And he’s got all this fluid accumulating in his belly because cancer cells are blocking up is drainage pathways.

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Kien Vuu: And I remember oh my God, you know here, I am going through and having a very bad time myself this guy’s got to have a worst so I got to put yeah I got to put myself together before I go see this guy and I remember, opening the door.

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Kien Vuu: And right when I thought I was going to be a breath of fresh air frickin he was for me, because you know I opened the door expecting to.

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Kien Vuu: To be in a room and despair and says hey Doc how are you mad, he must behave it Thank you so much for showing up donkey i’m going to feel so much better after this it’s gonna be because of you Thank you so much Doc and I just remember feeling is love and positivity.

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Kien Vuu: And it just you know it just took you know really kind of shocked me I remember thinking, how is he so positive and I asked him, you should be so positive says Doc it’s easy well Doc it’s not so easy i’m trying to remember his voice he had a very, very you know.

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Kien Vuu: Very high pitched voice Doc it wasn’t always so easy I used to be a guy who’s always stressed out or was always bad you know, but this this this cancer gave me.

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Kien Vuu: woke me up you know I can’t control, a lot of things in life, but I can I can control how I show up this will actually show we would love and positivity.

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Kien Vuu: And I remember those words which is so profound I mean here’s a man who’s about to die, it might be how to truly live reminding me to the matter what life circumstances we always have a choice.

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Kien Vuu: And after that moment, I mean he didn’t live that much longer after that, but he did remind me that I had a choice you know, yes, I was dealing with chronic disease but yes, I also had an opportunity to figure out.

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Kien Vuu: The root causes of those diseases things that I didn’t learn in Medical School that you know to be well.

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Kien Vuu: I really I really use that little bit to discover more about health more about what it means to be.

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Kien Vuu: to live healthy what you know what it means that optimal health what it means for us to show that are very best in a very short period of time it’s six months I reverse my diabetes I reverse my hypertension.

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Kien Vuu: And since that time, put me in a state of health, where I feel like i’m stronger, more fit I feel younger than I ever did before so that’s how it all happened.

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Mike Malatesta: So thanks for sharing that this i’m thinking that you walk in and Ishmael is was that the first time you change them or have you seen him before.

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Kien Vuu: No, it was the first time I saw.

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Mike Malatesta: You know the first time you saw and.

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Mike Malatesta: I had to be like a real slap in the face or kick in the NUTS or whatever, because you’re dragging your body and feeling all sorry for yourself and maybe with some legitimacy, you know if you’ve got these things going on but.

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Mike Malatesta: he’s gonna die.

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Mike Malatesta: yeah whether you drain them or not right, so we kind of everybody knows that, and still you know he comes at you with this positivity in this mindset and yeah i’ve had to be a real.

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Mike Malatesta: You know it’d be really like kicking the teeth now i’m thinking about right it’s.

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Mike Malatesta: Like how do I actually have it versus this guy.

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Kien Vuu: yeah absolutely and you know that you know that, along with a lot of the additional teaching and training, but i’ve gotten personal development, reminds me of a quote Byron katie says that life is simple, you know.

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Kien Vuu: Life is not happening to us it’s happening for us, and if we have little tiny mindset shifts like that.

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Kien Vuu: It can really change our outlook on life and our outlook and how we see the world the meaning, we give the things will change how we feel.

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Kien Vuu: That we change how we feel we actually change her biology and change, you know how we how we approach life so.

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Kien Vuu: Having having a positive mindset having a mindset, where you can take your circumstances and bend it to the way that it’s going to make you feel most empowered that’s a really, really powerful.

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Mike Malatesta: So let’s talk about how you got to where you were.

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Mike Malatesta: Sure, you mentioned the dream car the dream house, maybe you had the dream relationship before it ended, or you thought you had it yeah.

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Mike Malatesta: But you had all these other things coming along with it, that you described so what led you down that dream path that turned out, maybe not to be the dream.

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Kien Vuu: Great.

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Kien Vuu: yeah great question, so this you know now I gotta take us back way back.

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Mike Malatesta: To the back way back way back machine yeah let’s do that machine so so to 78.

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Kien Vuu: I was born, you know, a couple years after the Vietnam war in Vietnam, you know and.

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Kien Vuu: You know the Communists had actually you know seized up basically.

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Kien Vuu: All the businesses in the south, you know America at our your left three years ago and really took away all the currency that was previously there took away all the businesses and created you know, a.

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Kien Vuu: regime that was really you know, took away the freedom of a lot of people living there, and my parents who were you know.

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Kien Vuu: pregnant with me at the time, knew that it was actually going to be no opportunity for me to.

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Kien Vuu: Have any future there, and so they decided to leave and long story short, we left by by means of refugee boat we’re actually on board the ship with over 2000 refugees to try to sell a better future.

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Kien Vuu: And we actually sell to the Philippines, where there was no room the refugee camps, when we got there, so I was on a boat, I was just a couple months old at the time I was on a boat for eight months.

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Kien Vuu: And I became the only surviving it that people fell off the boat, a lot of people die from from dysentery and from you know other diseases on the boat.

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Kien Vuu: After a month on the boat and spend another three months at a Philippine refugee camp and then be responsive to America by a Catholic Church.

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Kien Vuu: And one more thing a child who has gone through all that and now in America with you very grateful growing up, but that wasn’t the case you know I.

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Kien Vuu: I got blessed to a more affluent area for school and was actually one of the few Asian immigrant kids in that school, so I was constantly being teased for being short for being an immigrant for.

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Kien Vuu: You know my hand me down clothes with holes in them for this thinking by my my parents sent me to school with you know it’s constantly being called change go back to your home country and those experiences shaped me, you know I remember as a kid growing up, I didn’t like.

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Kien Vuu: The skin, I was in you know I constantly remember wanting to be taller wanting to be wider wanting to live in a different neighborhood wanting different parents.

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Kien Vuu: And I didn’t recognize this at that time, but that desire to be somebody else that desire.

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Kien Vuu: You know that feeling of not being worthy or enough that actually became the seat of my future illness and let me explain hey you know why that’s the case.

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Kien Vuu: When you don’t feel good about yourself, you actually run you know you actually have stress and stress hormones been throughout your body.

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Kien Vuu: Now, a lot of people deal with stress differently, but you know, certainly if you deal.

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Kien Vuu: With stress, by reaching for unhealthy food or if you deal with stress with smoking, you know I didn’t do any of that, but certainly I didn’t eat very well I didn’t sleep very well that was constantly chasing something outside of myself but feel better.

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Kien Vuu: And if that doesn’t come from within, if you’re always doing that chasing you’re always going to be in that stress state.

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Kien Vuu: So I have to stress state the lead lead me to have stressed out lifestyle and back in Medical School I didn’t learn that that that unhealthy lifestyle will actually lead to disease, so I wasn’t sleeping well, I was constantly stressed out I wasn’t eating well.

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Kien Vuu: You know all that really set the stage of creating these lifestyle diseases, which was diabetes and high blood pressure, basically, you know some of the major um you know, chronic diseases that lead to the major killers America, which is heart attack and stroke, which is number one killer.

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Kien Vuu: and basically.

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Kien Vuu: Not being awake to who I am and enjoy that person.

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Kien Vuu: Right and the subsequent habits from living that life set me up for disease and it wasn’t until I took a step back and really, really try to understand, health and understand the life I was living.

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Kien Vuu: And until I got to the point where I accepted and I love myself and I knew that I would try to figure this thing out.

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Kien Vuu: In a very, very short period of time was able to reverse those things of that.

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Mike Malatesta: well.

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Mike Malatesta: First of all, congratulations second of all such a great message you know all for all, for you know, like all mankind, but particularly now where it’s so easy to measure yourself against someone else because everyone else is right there there within.

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Mike Malatesta: You know they’re right on your device anytime anywhere any place in the world, you can look up somebody and measure yourself against that person.

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Mike Malatesta: And normally you’re not measuring against people that you feel you’re better than your old measuring of people you feel inadequate to for some reason.

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Mike Malatesta: Well, how did you let me ask about your parents now where your parents physicians as well or.

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Kien Vuu: They were so they were in Vietnam and when they came to the States they.

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Kien Vuu: They had to take some some some courses and then got recertified here here in the States, but that wasn’t until I was like eight or 10 years old, so it took him some time to get recertified states.

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Mike Malatesta: And you mentioned the the sea month.

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Mike Malatesta: journey on a ship going nowhere.

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Mike Malatesta: And you mentioned, you are the only child to survive, but what about your parents, how did they survive that and were there any siblings with you.

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Kien Vuu: Yes, so my parents, you know my my parents had siblings that.

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Kien Vuu: Left earlier on a different boat, so they were able to get to get out of Vietnam earlier earlier on, and you know they got planes to the state, you know a lot sooner than.

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Kien Vuu: We did, there were a lot of friends that you know my parents were in the boat with and certainly we made a lot of friends.

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Kien Vuu: Apparently, where I was was downstairs in the boat right next to the restaurant so every time somebody needed to you know, use the restroom they would walk over our family to get there.

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Kien Vuu: Okay, do you see a little baby there, so I became very, very famous on that boat now was the firstborn child to my parents and you know I had two more siblings two younger ones who were born in states.

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Mike Malatesta: Okay, and when you got here, did you were you able to I know you mentioned the Catholic Church had helped you what were you able to meet up with other family members.

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Mike Malatesta: Yet right, you went right to Los Angeles, we went right to Los Angeles, and we were placed in the small sort of studio apartment that leaving Hollywood.

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Kien Vuu: And then my grandfather ended up being an apartment manager to this multiplex so very old apartment I think there were maybe 30 units, or something like that, and then you know.

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Kien Vuu: Our families occupy probably about eight or 10 units in that apartment complex.

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Kien Vuu: Okay, so you know I live not too far from my aunts and uncles and I remember you know, having meals, where my grandmother would cook for like 2025 people.

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Kien Vuu: And that’s why I ended up you know eating really fast sometimes do because you have to get there early, otherwise you lose out.

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Mike Malatesta: yeah right right to slow yeah right now go something like that, so you going to this high school that you mentioned.

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Mike Malatesta: This in a fluent area was that an opportunity that came along, because your parents went after it for you, Dr P, or was that something that happened some other way.

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Kien Vuu: yeah so you know I don’t know what they pushed it or not, um I believe that what happened was I ended up you know I grew up in chinatown in a way which is important in we’re good neighborhood it was a small.

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Kien Vuu: School they’re cold Castile are and where there was a lot of other Asian immigrant kids and.

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Kien Vuu: My teachers just thought I was particularly gifted so they have actually had me take an IQ test, and I will you know I tested, you know my IQ test and very, very high and because of that, you know I got you know into what was called a highly gifted magnet.

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Kien Vuu: You know, a program that that that my local school didn’t have which got me an opportunity to give us the way, so I believe my my teachers, was it was actually you know.

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Kien Vuu: Something that that push for that, and after I tested that you know that was something my parents, you know started to push for their after hey Kim is highly give us a test these these two other kids as well.

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Mike Malatesta: yeah Okay, and did they did they get there as well.

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Kien Vuu: They were both gifted so there were slightly no I don’t mean.

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Kien Vuu: So they got blessed out as well.

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Mike Malatesta: Okay, and and you described earlier when you were answering the how that happened question about you know what or maybe it was the dream question about.

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Mike Malatesta: You know, wanting to be more white wanting to be tall or wanting to be all these things that you didn’t feel you were.

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Mike Malatesta: But, yet you, as I understand it, you became the valedictorian at your high school gave it gave the commencement speech at your at your graduation.

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Mike Malatesta: And then you know eventually ended up in in Medical School so i’m thinking if i’m, on the other end of that so i’m this affluent kid and here comes this kid from chinatown.

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Kien Vuu: uh I never I never really got the European you know I take that back, I remember in high school sometimes there were some people that felt, how is he such a goofball but still excel.

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Kien Vuu: In academics and and why do I have to work so hard, what would when he when he seems like there was all masked and it was you know you know I think I think one I maybe math and science, you know was something I.

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Kien Vuu: yeah um so yeah that was that was a mask that I was wearing you know this this fun going guy that that is just super you know you know doesn’t have to try very hard, but still excels at everything was definitely something that that was built as a mask rather than the complete truth.

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Mike Malatesta: And how did it feel when you were up there, giving the commencement speech have i’m asking from someone who never made it to that level.

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Kien Vuu: yeah well I gotta say so, it was not high school, but it was a college commencement speech.

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Mike Malatesta: Oh i’m sorry okay.

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Kien Vuu: yeah and and no that was that was a very surreal moment because I remember staring out in the crowd and there sat my grandfather my parents and you could just see my grandfather.

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Kien Vuu: Just a huge sense of pride and they’re just looking at me and you could just feel what they were feeling they were tearing up and I could see it from from from from being up on stage and right at that moment.

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Kien Vuu: Right at that moment, you know as I sense their pride, I also sense, like every single ancestor you know even the ones that didn’t make it their tribe their whole entire life for a better life and I felt like I was the culmination of so many of their greetings.

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Kien Vuu: And I just felt, you know one incredibly incredibly incredibly proud but also.

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Kien Vuu: More happy for them okay um you know I didn’t end up maybe choosing the major I would have I would have chosen.

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Kien Vuu: And part of it was to make sure that they felt like they it’s their sacrifices worth something and I remember at that point, you know just feeling their pride was something that Why is it, why is this was worth it, to be able to give this to them.

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Mike Malatesta: And what was the major versus what you may have chosen.

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Kien Vuu: yeah I probably would have done something in drama or yeah or something like that, and you know, certainly that’s something i’m pursuing now, but you know I I ended up being a biochemical.

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Mike Malatesta: And when was the decision made or when did you make the decision that you were going to go to Medical School and, in particular, you know focus in radiology.

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Kien Vuu: yeah great question so.

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Kien Vuu: You know I think in high school, so I went to medical negative in high school and.

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Kien Vuu: Again, I was excelling in school and I thought I I thought I was just going to be a pharmacist, like my parents, they were both pharmacists, I was thinking hey I was gonna be a pharmacist to but.

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Kien Vuu: You know, I was again the top of my class with all these other people wanting to be doctors and i’m thinking well why Why am I Why am I setting my site so low.

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Kien Vuu: And you know truth be told, I don’t think I had to work that hard to maintain a good GPA in the sciences and when I went to college, it was I had a lot of extracurriculars I started organizations, the academics can easily and.

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Kien Vuu: In the back of my mind, I wanted to do something that had some impact it, you know I think I wanted to do media entertainment, although.

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Kien Vuu: I didn’t find any heroes or any role models for me to model after I didn’t see any Asian people Asian males.

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Kien Vuu: That were depicted very well of the media, so I didn’t think it was an opportunity for me, and you know, and I got into a couple medical schools and I just thought okay well you know that’s my path.

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Mike Malatesta: Right yeah cuz I suppose I know in the book you mentioned Tony robbins Tony robbins and some others, you know.

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Mike Malatesta: I suppose yeah at the time that the only Asian folks you would probably see is like you know Bruce Lee or you know Jackie Chan or so, you know.

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Mike Malatesta: Exactly what martial.

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Mike Malatesta: If you had to go back to Medical School What would you change about the curriculum, but because because you’ve made such a dramatic shift from traditional medicine and I happen to know, not a lot of doctors who grew up.

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Mike Malatesta: You know who went through Medical School and are still practicing today the way they were taught, you know you you you diagnose and treat right i’m kind of all reactive and.

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Kien Vuu: yeah I think if I were to go back you know, and you bring bring about a very good question because I may do something in terms of.

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Kien Vuu: Trying to help medical education, but I think understanding, health and wellness is something that medical schools don’t do very well.

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Kien Vuu: um you know a lot of the root causes of disease, you know turns out to be you know your lifestyle based.

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Kien Vuu: And if your curriculum is is so harsh that you know we’re working hundred hour weeks and you’re not really given actual tools to learn how to sleep well or to manage your stress.

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Kien Vuu: And the food that you are, you know exposing your soon institute when the hospitals and in your cafeteria is are inflammatory.

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Kien Vuu: you’re not really giving a good example of how to maintain health, so I do feel like the curriculum should include.

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Kien Vuu: You know, a better curriculum on nutrition on on epigenetics on on really self care and and some stress reduction techniques and all that, in addition to many me, maybe some of the pharmacology that reporting but.

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Kien Vuu: You know I reverse all those things without medications.

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Kien Vuu: Right I reversed all those things discovering myself again and I also do think.

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Kien Vuu: As a physician you really need to be able, you know if you want to inspire some lifestyle changes for other people.

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Kien Vuu: You really need to one vehicle model itself but also start to understand what it takes to have behavioral changes, you know you can tell people you know stop smoking eat right.

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Kien Vuu: You know and that’s what you need to do in you know, in less than two minutes time because that’s all you have to talk to the patient.

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Kien Vuu: And they’re going to they’re going to walk out of there not do the changes beat themselves up for not going to change, you did really good at do a good job, trying to maybe understand what their desires are understand how to leverage, you know the changes.

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Kien Vuu: And me right now, when I work with my clients, I do, that I take them through a process where you know it’s called the hero prescription he.

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Kien Vuu: stands for hunger, which is what is your wire who’s your why because you need to be able to leverage those things we tend to do more for.

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Kien Vuu: You know other people and for organizations from for causes more than we are ourselves so understanding that is really important, and then, secondly, can we see ourselves as this next version that has more energy has more vitality.

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Kien Vuu: Can can can can we create addition for somebody else that that’s possible for them and that’s part of what I do what it will provide consumers is now as well.

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Mike Malatesta: yeah and that’s what really got my attention.

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Mike Malatesta: Because well one this got my attention there aren’t there are very few docs like you, who get into the what i’ll call the system and then decide that they’re going to get out of the system, because the system is very.

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Mike Malatesta: it’s got a very strong magnetic force to it income reputation.

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Mike Malatesta: You know, education, all of that stuff is very.

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Mike Malatesta: it’s hard to break free from right it’s very hard to break free from you broke broke free from and the other thing was that your.

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Mike Malatesta: When I read your story that you described, and I know there’s a lot more to it that will get to but it reminded me exactly not exactly it’s never exactly but similar to to mine.

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Mike Malatesta: I, so I started a company, when I was 26 and by the time I sold it, I was 50 hours 49 okay so 22 years 23 years and.

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Mike Malatesta: I never you know I worked out and I did all these things, but I never noticed over time that I gained about 30 pounds right because it happens slowly.

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Mike Malatesta: And no one’s saying hey dude you’re getting a little fat because it’s even slow for them, and nobody maybe saw you are new you and you were were lower.

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Mike Malatesta: And all these other things are happening, you know little pain know all this stuff you say oh it’s just getting you know it’s just getting all that’s kind of what happens to you and.

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Mike Malatesta: He lost like 20 pounds and I was like what are you doing, and he said he told me about go into this Dr Sean Romero, who I had on my show is really.

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Mike Malatesta: He does similar work to what you do, but anyway, he introduced me this whole concept of visceral fat.

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Mike Malatesta: And I got total body scan Nice, you know I have visceral fat all over me, you know so i’m thinking I look like your picture your before picture in your book.

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Mike Malatesta: You know you’re heavy but you’re you know you can tell you been at the gym right, so a lot of times you get fooled by it’s just this what I would tell myself i’m just getting.

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Mike Malatesta: bigger and bigger and more muscle which wasn’t the case, I was I had this visceral fat, you know, a decent amount of it and which is fat inside of you it’s fat you can’t see it’s not.

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Mike Malatesta: fat that hangs over your belt and that kind of thing and I started making changes very reluctantly, by the way, like you described in your book and so that’s.

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Mike Malatesta: And I was able to lose you know 30 pounds and and all my markers and everything that we’ll talk about that.

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Mike Malatesta: got better, so what as I was reading your story, I was just really it it validated mine, and it also validated my belief as, as you say that you know you are your best medicine, you can do a lot of things change who you are, if you want to.

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Mike Malatesta: But, as you mentioned, you can’t just tell somebody hey stop doing that and start doing this because it’s not the way habits change right and everything about our life is the result of a habit either good habit or not so good habit, would you agree with that.

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Kien Vuu: Absolutely, I mean I talked about in my book, the concept of the bio energetic state or state.

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Kien Vuu: That is just a compilation of our habits, I mean our art our health is basically our you know our health and it’s all tied together and if you’re overweight that that’s because you’ve got habits that lead you there.

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Kien Vuu: And so you’ve got certain results in your life you’ve got them, you know, do the habits that that that you had to give you those results you want different results those habits change.

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Mike Malatesta: Right, but so but but it’s hard, because so many of us, first of all don’t don’t want to believe that the habits, we have are causing us.

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Mike Malatesta: To be something we don’t want to be right, we think every heavyweight I have is supporting July, want to be and it’s very I know that it was very hard for me to accept, you know, cutting down on cards into except that I was fat next to are overfed, I think, is what you use in your book.

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Mike Malatesta: You know, and all those things because I had this mindset that I wasn’t any of those things and I didn’t need any of this help, but I didn’t need to do any of these things different like my life was going along just fine and.

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Mike Malatesta: It wasn’t true so you can tell in distant habits, you can tell yourself any story you want, and you can wave it right minds very powerful that way.

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Mike Malatesta: You one of the things that struck me in your book and i’m going to read it off my note here.

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Mike Malatesta: You said, my journey began when I made the decision decision to live a more authentic and purpose driven life and.

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Mike Malatesta: i’m i’m wondering what, if you would share with us what you meant what you mean by that because, as I listened to your story particular on the education side you you appear to have live, you know you appear to have been living a purpose driven life.

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Mike Malatesta: But this came after you know this came after all of that, where you made that that statement So what did what did you mean by that.

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Kien Vuu: yeah so you know I I think i’ve always had the desire to work to help people, but if I wasn’t going to become very honest with, why was it as an attending physician right around the time you know all these things were happening quote unquote to me.

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Kien Vuu: yeah um you know, I was, I was still chasing I was chasing success chasing money, the Dalai Lama has a very famous photo of my book.

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Kien Vuu: Or at least, it was attributed to him when he was asked what he found most interesting about the entity said man because.

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Kien Vuu: He would sacrifice his health in order to make money and then sacrifices money to recuperate itself right.

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Kien Vuu: And so many people share that story, because if you are if you’re if you’re thinking that you’re worth it’s something outside of you, but you always need to strive for.

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Kien Vuu: um you will never feel that that sense of completeness or piece that you have inside and and you know because I didn’t feel that word that was constantly striving to be somebody I was not.

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Kien Vuu: And you know, I have to take a real hard look at that’s how I was living my life and that’s how and that’s what my reality was and that disease.

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Kien Vuu: That that I had stem from the reality, I was praying for myself so really that it was that decision to say hey you know what.

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Kien Vuu: I am living in a life, not in alignment of who I really am one, I need to find out who I am and start to take you know action to become more in line with that person and the word decision really means you know to cut off.

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Kien Vuu: To the side side means kill right, so you to kill to kill any other possibility that that will be the case, and so, for me, I didn’t want to be, you know, a doctor who’s.

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Kien Vuu: hypocritical and not have the tools to be helping with that disease myself and and I knew there was another way, and unfortunately I found I found away and.

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Kien Vuu: And really you know, thinking that all those things were happening to me is not really you know how I look at it now, I mean, certainly, I think the struggles have been.

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Kien Vuu: given to us in fact gifted to us so that we can overcome that so that we can we now have a gift to share with others and.

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Kien Vuu: I really believe that being a medical doctor being chewing and conventional system um you know being trained in poly some of the world’s top institutions still have disease, but really that allows me to be a messenger that maybe the way we’re doing things.

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Kien Vuu: doesn’t have all the answers, yes, there you know you know modern medicine is great for certain things, but you know, maybe there are some limitations and and.

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Kien Vuu: And that there is more to health and, at the end of the day, we are our investments right Oh, I feel that my ability to share that message now is you know, has some validity kind of given my background and given you know what I had to go through the first days.

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Mike Malatesta: and Dr V, how did you how long after this interaction with Ishmael that you had, and these other revelations about your diabetes and hypertension and stuff did you.

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Mike Malatesta: You know, begin to make actual change.

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Kien Vuu: yeah I would say after that you know you know after that stint with Ishmael I started to dream about what I would do and really I did a very scary movie which was lead full time medicine at the time.

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Kien Vuu: You know something that I, I created my identity with and and I said, well, no more of this What else do I need to do I need to sleep better I need to move I need to you know.

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Kien Vuu: You know I need to eat better and just those three things you know the physical aspects of eating better sleeping better and moving.

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Kien Vuu: I was able to notice a complete reversal of my diabetes it went from seven to like 5.3 you know, in a matter of four to six months so that happened very quickly.

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Kien Vuu: But I didn’t stop there, I continue to you know do a lot of personal development, I you know I did a lot of Tony robbins work I did stuff with my Valley, a lot of things to upgrade my mindset.

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Kien Vuu: And I started to learn a little bit more about spirituality started to study epigenetics more really dive into nutrition more, and that was what I were really kind of find to my understanding of health and wellness.

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Mike Malatesta: And when you left you know your.

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Mike Malatesta: career as a radio in radiology What did you immediately, do you consider yourself an entrepreneur now, I guess, I should ask.

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Kien Vuu: I would probably say so i’m.

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Kien Vuu: Sorry, I would I would sort of you know you know i’ve got a small team, but you know a lot of times feel like a solo entrepreneur um but.

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Kien Vuu: But yeah I would probably say I would probably say so and that was certainly a very, very big change to you know, being a you know getting a paycheck from from a corporation, and in a private practice versus kind of like doing things on your own.

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Mike Malatesta: yeah I look at what you what you did as something that’s similar to what yeah it’s a big move I guess you know similar to an executive at a big company saying you know I want to go do.

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Mike Malatesta: My own thing and then I talked about gravitational hold before but there’s a lot of things working against you.

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Mike Malatesta: When, even if you’re even if you’re if your head is working towards something else, so I was just curious what how long did it take you to actually make that full transition, I think you said.

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Mike Malatesta: Maybe, five years ago, or something to started, but how long did it take you to.

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Kien Vuu: Well, I still going through the process i’m going to go.

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Kien Vuu: um I work part time at UCLA so I still teach a little bit of radiology but in you know, in doing so i’m training the next generation of physicians and they get to tell teach them this this part of myself that.

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Kien Vuu: That you know I get to share that with them a little bit of health and wellness they don’t want to get to see so i’m still working up there about two days a week, and the rest of the time i’m doing media i’m doing my own concierge practice so um you know.

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Kien Vuu: I enjoy probably have a mix of all these different things.

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Kien Vuu: You know I would probably say you know from a vision standpoint I see myself as somebody becoming the next version of Dr Oz.

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Kien Vuu: Okay i’m using media entertainment to.

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Kien Vuu: To have the message that we are our best medicine, so that people rely on themselves more than than other people when it comes to to their health and wellness.

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Kien Vuu: And there’s there’s probably a path to get there, and you know I think I have a general direction of where that is, but you know and and and I just say yes along the way I didn’t really.

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Kien Vuu: You know this wasn’t really planned you know, having this this concierge practice.

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Kien Vuu: It was in when I when I left medicine, when I left medicine full time I said Okay, you know what i’m gonna work part time but i’m going to do all the traveling whatnot but I had no ideas to you know.

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Kien Vuu: You know I didn’t feel like I needed at the time, really that you know that I needed to support myself, you know fully and I was working part time, which was plenty for me.

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Kien Vuu: hear about my story my transformation I got clients there, and you know it’s somehow became a Hollywood Doc and then we’re just kind of travel, you know from there and that’s how the longevity and concierge practice started.

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Mike Malatesta: Okay, and concierge just for people who don’t know what that term means when it comes to medicine, because most people know what copay means.

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Kien Vuu: Well it’s probably different you know, wherever wherever it’s practice, but you know typically concierge medicine, does not take any insurance, but you know you are you’ve got probably a more.

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Kien Vuu: I like to work in my sweet spot range from anywhere from 21 on one type clients and you know work with a lot of people remotely and and do a lot of group sessions as well.

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Kien Vuu: But you know one on one clients I keep that very, very small, so that I can give them.

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Kien Vuu: You know, pointing experience and it may be, you know going to their homes to do the initial checkup it might be accompany them to a specialist appointment and concierge looks different you know, depending on you know who’s actually providing the service.

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Mike Malatesta: Sure, and let’s go if you don’t mind let’s take us through you know the the bs.

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Mike Malatesta: Sure, if you don’t mind, because this is sort of the strategy that you use, as I understand it, and what’s in thrive state what what gets you to thrive state suppose.

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Mike Malatesta: So yeah let’s go through that so that people have an understanding of what how you bring your mindset, are all mindsets one of them, but how you bring your ideal.

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Mike Malatesta: You know your ideal self message to people so that they actually can achieve it.

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Kien Vuu: Okay, great question um so.

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Kien Vuu: The concept of the bs it’s entered bio energetic elements, and let me explain what the bio energetic state is you know, so that we know what the bio energetic element is you know.

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Kien Vuu: When we talk about optimal health when you talk about longevity.

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Kien Vuu: We talked about wanting to be our best having peak performance what that actually comes down to is the health of our individual cells, because cells tissues.

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Kien Vuu: Organs that create organ systems and when all those are firing optimally will have.

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Kien Vuu: peak immune system mental system cardiovascular system that’s where we have optimal health longevity and peak performance on the flip side of that if your cells are not functioning optimally.

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Kien Vuu: Well then, then you get suboptimal tissue sub optimal oregon’s if you got a sub optimal Oregon say your lungs when we go to extract 50% of the oxygen will suddenly have 50% less oxygen we go into the rest of your cells.

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Kien Vuu: Okay, well then your heart cells going to get 50% lot less oxygen it’s not going to perform very well so it’s going to pump.

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Kien Vuu: You know, maybe 25% less than it normally pumps, so you can start to see that if you start to have a suboptimal sell the whole system is going to crash over time.

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Kien Vuu: And then you’ve got a crashing immune system, you get our immune disease, cancer chronic infections suboptimal cardiovascular system will give you.

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Kien Vuu: You know atherosclerosis heart attack and stroke suboptimal nervous system, you can get brain fog you get the mentioned, you know also emergencies so it’s really on.

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Kien Vuu: You know, two sides of the coin of optimal health if you’ve got an optimal cellular health right So if you got optimal cellular health that’s when you got longevity peak performance.

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Kien Vuu: And optimal health if you go sub optimal so your health you get chronic symptoms of chronic disease so next question is what determines whether a cell is going into into the pathway of optimal health versus suboptimal no.

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Kien Vuu: Well, it turns out some people think okay well it’s the DNA you get from mom and dad, yes, but that’s partially true the DNA is kind of like.

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Kien Vuu: All the plays that you have on the playbook right it’s every single player that you can play to kind of win the game in football.

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Kien Vuu: But you’re not playing all those all those plays all at once you’ve got to be very strategic about which play you play when.

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Kien Vuu: You play the right place at the right time, you win the game and the win the game of longevity and performance you’ve got to basically turn on the right genes at the right time, turn off the gene.

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Kien Vuu: turn off the gene, and so what happens is your DNA is constantly listening to the cues of its energetic environment to direct whether or not you are in the optimal health stage or whether your cells think you’re in stress in survival mode all right and that the the collective energetic.

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Kien Vuu: environment that we give to ourselves, is what I call the bio energetic state.

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Kien Vuu: So you know it is this collective energy that speaks to ourselves through hormones through signaling molecules to all of those things that affect our DNA behaves and it turns out.

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Kien Vuu: That every single energy affects our DNA, but to remember every little tiny thing and in terms of what it does your DNA is going to stress anybody out.

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Kien Vuu: So if there’s a 8020 rule or 9010 rule in terms of what is going to really impact how your DNA behaves it’s the seven things that I call the seven bio energetic elements which are asleep nutrition movement stress and emotional mastery our thoughts in mindset relationships and purpose.

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Mike Malatesta: Okay, thank you, that was a great explanation and I wonder, and I think about cells under stress right so when your cells are under stress and you tell me if I could be totally wrong here but.

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Mike Malatesta: feels like if your cells are under stress then your body is always trying to you know fix stress right something you know stress it’s it shoots want to whatever.

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Mike Malatesta: fixings like in cancer be T cells, for example, right or so your body is like oh something’s wrong let’s try to fix it.

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Mike Malatesta: Exactly and and and you I feel like your body only has a limited amount of those kinds of fixing cells only have a limited amount of time and energy right So if you use a lot.

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Kien Vuu: They can imagine, yes, exactly imagine you know we’ve got a certain fixed amount of ATP we have for our body and when your cells think that it’s in stress.

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Kien Vuu: It actually it’s expanding 10 times more energy than it normally is and then what happens.

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Kien Vuu: You know when when you’re expanding that energy well one you’re not you don’t have any energy to rest or digest to do the things that are going to help with growth.

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Kien Vuu: healing and repair, but instead you’ve got diverted into increasing inflammation so you have you know, using all this energy for inflammation.

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Kien Vuu: And all that is going to decrease your immune system as well and basically that diversity of energy into this stressful state that actually says the backdrop of chronic disease, because.

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Kien Vuu: In all in chronic disease there’s some mismatch where there’s a lot of inflammation going on and decrease immunity that sets you up for chronic symptoms that set you up for autoimmune disease that sets you up for dementia.

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Kien Vuu: And that’s what happens in the chronic stress.

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Mike Malatesta: And in your experience how how long can people you know have that and have their body dealing with it and be completely unaware.

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Kien Vuu: Decades you know.

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Mike Malatesta: Like you can get used to it, I suppose.

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Kien Vuu: Exactly exactly there could be some event like tips you over, but if you’ve got like you know, a suboptimal bio energetic state.

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Kien Vuu: You, this could go on for months or years or decades, some people might just say Okay, you know i’m feeling a little bit tired or.

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Kien Vuu: You know I wasn’t a sharp but then they attributed to age when that that that’s not really the case and then all of a sudden, you know some you know you go from insulin resistance I haven’t diabetes that happens over like months to several several.

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Kien Vuu: Years where that happens, and you know that’s that’s what we find with you know, chronic diseases.

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Kien Vuu: You know, to diseases, you know you get an infection like ammonia you get antibiotics you’re done that’s what you know medicine is great for when these chronic diseases.

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Kien Vuu: Basically it’s those lifestyle factors into those seven bees that you’re not living optimally for years.

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Kien Vuu: And you’re driving the system, where over time, you know the cells just start the very slowly decrease decrease their their their cellular health.

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Kien Vuu: And then the systems go off and then eventually okay yeah i’m starting to feel tired of getting forgetful yes i’m starting to get some brushes in my skin and that can take some time.

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Mike Malatesta: And how do you.

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Mike Malatesta: figure it out with someone Dr P So for me it was I got these scans done and I saw that I had visceral fat and he explained to me that that’s causes inflammation as well as a lot of other things, and I was you know it’s completely unaware.

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Mike Malatesta: So how do you how do you help people that come to you or when you talk to become aware.

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Kien Vuu: Right well first off if you’re starting to feel like you know you’ve got some symptoms but you don’t really know like Oh, you know your energy starting to slip got some brain fog and your hair’s falling out.

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Kien Vuu: You know you don’t have enough energy like you used to have you’re starting to get some joint pains some kind of symptoms, it might suggest that there’s something that’s not happening in your body.

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Kien Vuu: You don’t necessarily need to have you know, a you know, like a Texas scan or an MRI or CT to know that you’ve got some visceral fat too well, maybe, maybe somebody who’s not very trained, but you know I can look at somebody and say okay well he’s not fat but.

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Kien Vuu: yeah I can kind of see he’s got a little pooch around the belly right.

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Kien Vuu: So symptoms, will you know, having some kind of symptom is is a clue that that you know something might might not be right.

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Kien Vuu: And then, certainly if you do a scan at that point or, then you start to dig in deeper and you start to you know do some labs that was probably suggest you got early metabolic syndrome you’ve got some inflammatory markers that are elevated.

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Kien Vuu: But you asked what my approach is well my approach really is.

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Kien Vuu: You know what when people come in, you know I have I haven’t go through what’s called the the hero prescription H er O H again stands for hunger, which means really know their why.

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Kien Vuu: Why do they want to change, right now, is it for them is it for their children and really kind of leverage that he is for energy, which stands for the bio energetic state, so I do a you know, a.

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Kien Vuu: complete assessment as to where they are in each one of those seven categories, we talked about okay if that’s all that’s going to throw their biology off.

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Kien Vuu: Our again is reclamation it’s reclaiming their identity, you know getting them to install new habits in their life.

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Kien Vuu: And then finally Oh, is the optimization part which is the stuff that I learned from you know studying anti aging medicine just.

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Kien Vuu: kind of looking at their labs i’m like okay well are your hormone levels low net net now that you got some you know aging issues, and you know are your your nutrient levels low and do we need to replace them or optimize them and I get them on that program and.

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Kien Vuu: And that’s that’s proven to be very, very successful when you come at it at that approach.

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Mike Malatesta: So if we walk through the.

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Mike Malatesta: The seven b’s again, could you just give us like.

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Mike Malatesta: You know I know everybody’s different.

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Kien Vuu: tips on each one.

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Mike Malatesta: Quick tips on each one yeah so.

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Kien Vuu: So yeah so, can you read the book, you know get the post, certainly at thrive state book calm we’re going to go over it’s gonna be a lot more comprehensive.

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Kien Vuu: And I also got an online course it’s even deeper than that, so you can check that out on my website, but if I were to go to each one sleep.

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Kien Vuu: What are some things that we can do with sleep well I would probably say, the most important thing, try to get seven to nine hours, and if you go to sleep at the same time to wake up, at the same time, every single day.

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Kien Vuu: that’s going to be a game changer because that’s going to keep your circadian rhythm and normal your circadian rhythm, which is your your your biological clock actually you know.

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Kien Vuu: it’s important for that to be normal regular for for your hormones that do to the function normally as well, so that’s for sleep.

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Kien Vuu: For nutrition I would apply say get rid of the sugar and the processed foods eat foods as close to you know what they were naturally you know.

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Kien Vuu: made to come come with so minimally processed try to eat organic if you could afford it, and then, if you do eat meat try to have them sustainably raised, you know pasture raised grass fed grass finished that’s, for you know that’s for nutrition.

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Kien Vuu: Right or exercise just make sure you move and and the key is you know for me.

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Kien Vuu: I don’t I don’t think normally I gravitate towards exercise, but I make sure I you know i’m in a gym now i’m at a celebrity gym so that when I when I make that appointment, I know i’m going to go, because I don’t want to you know that down my trainer.

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Kien Vuu: And and there’s other people there training with me, and so it turns to be very fun communal environments so make make sure you know movement.

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Kien Vuu: You know, is something sustainable and something fun for you to want to do.

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Kien Vuu: Next is stress and emotional mastery and you know I go through a lot of techniques in my book, but one of the things I found most game changer and you can YouTube it’s free look up breath work.

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Kien Vuu: By just having different type of breathing techniques, it can really activate your Vegas nerve, which will calm down your stress and then there’s other techniques like should gone like meditation like journaling like yoga or karaoke for me, is also a stress.

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Mike Malatesta: you’re laughing yeah.

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Kien Vuu: Exactly laughing you don’t even need to you know really honestly lap but you.

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Kien Vuu: Okay um The next thing is our thoughts and mindset and I think the most important thing here is to remember not to believe all your thoughts, you know we are we’ve got a negative.

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Kien Vuu: Thought bias and our brain does that to kind of keep us safe, you know, and we always you know, think of the most negative things that can come about.

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Kien Vuu: And if you can start to recognize that Okay, this was built in there to keep me safe and not really built in here for me to have my highest good.

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Kien Vuu: You can start to say okay well there’s that negative thought I don’t need to believe it.

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Kien Vuu: And what would I need to focus on now to change to change that and the more you kind of get used to it, whose thoughts are necessarily mine, I can start thinking something else that’s going to be a game changing.

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Kien Vuu: relationships and you know, make sure we foster good relationships, you know, whatever we need to do, whether it be call a friend.

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Kien Vuu: or or connect more or hang out in groups that’s what we need to do.

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Kien Vuu: relationships that aren’t going well in our in our lives, can we start to ask ourselves what’s our part can we can we start to shift where that’s going, and if there’s a toxic relationship in our life, where we can’t seem to make any.

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Kien Vuu: headway on maybe we need to let that let that go, because you know these toxic relationship will change the way we feel, and you know we start to feel very drained and energy depleted our biology changes as well, and finally purpose.

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Kien Vuu: You know this is really about just sort of remembering the things that bring you joy remembering things and like you up.

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Kien Vuu: And when you can start to do something loose things that bring you your joy well that’s your natural passion that’s who you are authentically.

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Kien Vuu: And if you could just share you and the things that you love with other people that’s purpose.

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Kien Vuu: You know that’s that’s when you’re giving yourself to other people that’s what purpose really is so I mean remembering the things that bring you joy and sharing your joy with other people, its purpose so that’s it in a quick nutshell some some quick tips for the seven beads.

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Mike Malatesta: Okay cool, so let me follow up on a couple of them because i’ve got some.

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Mike Malatesta: Questions so the nutrition or food, first I want to understand how you think about supplements and how you want people thinking about supplements.

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Kien Vuu: Sure well one you know I love to be able to say people don’t need them, but that that’s not true anymore, because unfortunately.

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Kien Vuu: You know back when we were cavemen where you know all the food that we had you know, had a lot of nutrients and we’re eating all sorts of different foods supplementation was less important.

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Kien Vuu: Unfortunately, now we’ve got environmental toxins that you know that increase our you know reactive oxygen species and three racal radicals, that we need to get rid of.

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Kien Vuu: Our soils are becoming you know nutrient depleted, so there aren’t the same amount of nutrients in the in the food that we eat today as we used to.

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Kien Vuu: People aren’t moving and people aren’t spending time in the sun, that is a natural source of vitamin D production, so you know I would probably say over 90% of.

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Kien Vuu: Americans are nutrient depleted in one or more nutrients that are out there, so um you know I would think supplementation is something that’s important for everybody to to do now.

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Kien Vuu: You know if I weren’t looking at your labs for anybody who is just considering supplementation I would probably say this is a very basic regimen to consider one just consider a very good multivitamin.

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Kien Vuu: To make sure you take adequate amounts of Omega threes or fish oil, I would recommend anywhere from two to four grams a day.

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Kien Vuu: also include some mitochondrial support having some co Q 10 some alpha leipold acid and some NS you know you know 16 is something that that’s going to be great for for mitochondrial health and also because so many people I find are deficient in vitamin D.

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Kien Vuu: supplements, you know with vitamin D magnesium things like that are going to be very important, so that’s just a very, very basic thing.

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Kien Vuu: Anyone and if you’re still not feeling very good then work with a functional medicine doctor work with the integrative doctor, maybe we need to do a micronutrient panel to see if you’re deficient in something else.

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Mike Malatesta: yeah, so I think the key, there is the everyone probably need some supplement or another, but your blood work tells you can tell you help you narrow in on where what supplements, you need, and you, you mentioned.

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Mike Malatesta: naveen Jain invite them in your in your book and i’ve had i’ve hadn’t been on the podcast.

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Mike Malatesta: So let’s talk about food and gut right so that’s what BIOME is a company that test your gut bacteria and more than that they’re actually designing.

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Mike Malatesta: supplements that are specific for you to specific for you and your gut and your gut health and levine beliefs that food is the medicine that’s going to cure chronic disease.

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Mike Malatesta: just has to be the right.

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Mike Malatesta: Food and the right supplements that kind of thing now i’m not asking you to say whether whether you believe in that or not i’m just wondering how you how the gut how gut health is impacted by nutrition and how you feel about it.

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Mike Malatesta: From from your experience.

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Kien Vuu: know is very, very important, I mean gut health, basically, you know a lot of people say you know if you got any symptoms starting to gut.

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Kien Vuu: Because what happens is we’ve got basically our gut has 80% of our immune system tied to it.

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Kien Vuu: And so, when when your gut is not very healthy and there’s basically a one so lining kind of protecting everything that you inside from from your body so.

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Kien Vuu: If that becomes destructive what will happen is that 80% of the immune system that’s sitting alongside your gut.

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Kien Vuu: If your guts not healthy and you activate that immune system you’re going to start the process of maybe getting some you know autoimmune process an autoimmune disease, where you start to attack.

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Kien Vuu: Your own cells, because you basically activating your immune system.

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Kien Vuu: Also, if that if you know if your guts not doing very well.

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Kien Vuu: The stuff that you’re eating could start to leak into your bloodstream so you can get the bacteria leaked in their bacterial cell wall that gets leaked in there and that could start a inflammatory response you know process in your body as well.

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Mike Malatesta: yeah you’re poisoning yourself.

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Kien Vuu: Exactly so.

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Kien Vuu: Your gut health is so important.

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Kien Vuu: For those reasons there’s also the gut brain access like you know the the bacteria in your gut can potentially affect how you feel as well, and your cravings for your gut health is absolutely very, very important for actual health.

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Kien Vuu: And so, if you happen to have certainly if you happen to have some GI symptoms, is probably a good.

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Kien Vuu: good idea to get into school tested, but even if you’re you know have some you know symptoms that you don’t think his gun related like a rash or like some joint pains still might not be a bad idea to test out your gut to see you know if if you’ve got.

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Kien Vuu: Something called despite yosef which is more bad that to your good bacteria.

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Mike Malatesta: Okay, and let me, let me ask you about mindset to because that’s thrown around.

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Mike Malatesta: You know ubiquitously it’s everywhere everybody’s talking about mindset, how are you how are you thinking about changing mindset, how do you help people.

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Mike Malatesta: think differently and believe that more than think differently believe differently.

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Kien Vuu: Well, I think you know letting people understand that.

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Kien Vuu: If they can really start to understand that their thoughts are not theirs that’s a very, very big step.

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Kien Vuu: And if they start to understand that throughout all of our lives we’ve got different experiences, where they come from media, whether it comes from our parents, whether it comes from.

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Kien Vuu: trauma of some sorts, we all get programmed, you know, a certain way of thinking, and if we could start to see the programming see that you know part of our thinking.

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Kien Vuu: isn’t something that that we had control over before, and if we can see that as something separate that then gives us power to go oh my God that is just a pattern.

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Kien Vuu: And if that’s just a pattern, I can maybe start to squeeze in some new patterns so that’s the number one thing is having that awareness.

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Kien Vuu: You know, but just having the awareness alone doesn’t mean okay i’m going to feel great all the time, but now you know now if I start to feel crummy I could be okay I you know I do this process, you know what you know that that I started, you know.

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Kien Vuu: From from from you know from taking a quote from.

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Kien Vuu: Viktor frankl and he says between stimulus and response there’s a space and in that space is our power to choose our response.

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Kien Vuu: yeah and it’s a response.

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Kien Vuu: Growth and freedom and that’s what really Ishmael right he was able to take his circumstances and say no i’m going to make a new choice about how i’m going to show up.

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Kien Vuu: And this is how you can take any circumstance, and if you take 10 deep breaths in through your nose out through your mouth if you’re starting to feel stress if you’re starting to feel anger.

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Kien Vuu: You take that 10 deep breaths you’re going to activate your your Vegas nerve and you’re going to.

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Kien Vuu: You know, put yourself into the parasympathetic system, a little bit what they’ll do is they’ll decrease that charge.

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Kien Vuu: And in that space, basically, what you did when you take those 10 breaths take is give yourself a little space and in that space, I say Act, which stands for awareness choice and take action.

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Kien Vuu: So the awareness is really oh i’m feeling upset or i’m feeling angry or i’m feeling i’ve got a craving for food, what does that really have in that craving maybe i’m just bored right now.

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Kien Vuu: Okay, maybe that’s but that’s it, but if you can start to you know pause and relax in that space, you can start having the awareness like okay something’s being triggered okay all right.

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Kien Vuu: Then you can start to choose like okay there’s that thing being triggered and and normally I would want to do this thing because you know, this is my old pattern, but no, no, this is a pattern.

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Kien Vuu: How do we want to show up oh yeah Dr V said, you know I need to show up a certain way for my for my children, this is, this is, who I see myself to be you know I want to show up with love, I want to show with the gratitude, right now, I want to yell at my wife, but no that’s an old pattern.

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Kien Vuu: I want to show love, so you make a choice at that point, and then, finally, you take action if you will, however, however, you choose your intention.

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Kien Vuu: You start to take a new action, and when you take a new action what you do is you lay down a new track for for changing an old pattern that you have.

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Kien Vuu: And that’s how you can start to shift some of these old thoughts of old patterns into a new way of being.

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Kien Vuu: And, and you could shift basically boost thoughts and your subconscious beliefs over time you’re going to start to think different you start you’ll start to take new actions and that’s what transformation happens.

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Mike Malatesta: I love it because that you know mindset is about being clear about what you want, and if you’re clear about what you want, or who you want to be you start to recognize when you’re not the things that are causing you or or.

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Mike Malatesta: not causing you because you’re you’re accepting and you’re deciding to have them cause it, but the things that trigger you right, and you can you can begin to figure out ways, not to have that happen.

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Mike Malatesta: Right so Dr V, this has been fantastic I I do want to offer you the opportunity to karaoke us some righteous brothers if that’s you know what you want to do right now, because I know that’s something you mentioned in the book of fun for you.

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Kien Vuu: never lose your.

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Kien Vuu: keys.

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Mike Malatesta: perfect and perfect, this has been so fun, I thank you so much for coming on the podcast I did mention your instagram your website at the beginning, is there anything else you want people to know about in terms of connecting with you or or.

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Kien Vuu: Well you’re certainly find you know all those things at always scramble my web page, and you know pick up the book to thrive state book calm.

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Mike Malatesta: yeah and take it from someone who read it it’s a great book Thank you so much for writing, and thank you for being on the show today.

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Kien Vuu: thanks for having me.

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Kien Vuu: 321 hey it’s Dr be triple board certified md and longevity and performance and start over.

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Kien Vuu: hey it’s Dr D triple board certified md and longevity and performance expert and I had a wonderful time on how did happen podcast with Mike nala tested.

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Kien Vuu: We went into how did I come up with this five state model how I came up with basically the secret to optimal health longevity and peak performance all that you get to hear me sing a little karaoke song on this episode you’re not going to want to miss it check it out.