Lisa Brooking – Live Longer & Get Off The Pain Train (442)

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Episode transcript below:

0:00:00 – Mike Malatesta

Hi everyone. Mike Malatesta here and welcome back to the how it Happened podcast. On this podcast, I dig in deep with every guest to explore the roots of their success, to discover not just how it happened but why it matters. My mission is to find and share stories that inspire, activate and maximize the greatness in you. 

0:00:19 – Mike Malatesta

On today’s episode I’m talking with a world champion runner, a critical care nurse and a functional medicine CEO and pioneer. We talk about the concept of role modeling, the way forward, getting to the root cause of what keeps our body healthy health as an asset class, like an investment or like any investment you’d make, why a health scare is not a death sentence. And, of course, her favorite running shoes. You are in for a treat today with my guest, lisa Brooking. 

0:00:49 – Lisa Brooking

A health scare is not a death sentence. There’s hurricanes, there’s floods, there’s all these unknowns that happen in our life. 

Maybe we lose a job unexpectedly, and yet we are resilient. This has happened. How are we going to get ourselves out of this? How are we going to move forward? I feel that health doesn’t seem to have that same approach. We will get our heart attack and then we will come back and get our stents, and then by past surgery, and it’s my one wish is that individuals will think I’m a resilient person. I need to take charge of my health. I want to take charge of my health so that other people can use the hospital leather and meat. 

0:01:24 – Mike Malatesta

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0:02:39 – Lisa Brooking

Good morning Mike. Thank you for having me. 

0:02:42 – Mike Malatesta

Well, I’ve been looking forward to this conversation. You are going to be an inspiration to all of my listeners, I’m quite sure of that, and I do want to thank, before we get started. I do want to thank Justin Breen for connecting you and I. We hada wonderful discussion brief discussion a week or so ago to get to know each other, and, man, my curiosity was just really peaked, and so I’m very excited to be here with you. So I told you guys a little bit about Lisa in the introduction and now I’m going to tell you a little bit more. 

Lisa Brooking is the CEO of HealthCode Medical. She’s a dynamic and engaging healthcare leader with a proven track record in both the private and public sectors. Lisa holds a deep understanding of the healthcare sector, rooted in a progressive career starting out as a critical care nurse. She’s passionate about high quality, person centered care and her commitment to prioritize the well being of patients, and that’s going to come through very loud and clear, I can assure you as we go through this conversation. 

Lisa is also a world ranked distance runner with numerous podium finishes. Definitely talk about those. Most recently, she was the 2022 winner of the Miami half marathon and play second at the 2023 Vancouver half marathon, and here’s a quote from Lisa that I thought I’d share with you before I toss this back to her. As a high performance athlete, grit, commitment, passion and trust in the process are key to success Attributes that are transferable to life and career. Whether in heels or running shoes, I show up, never give up. Most importantly, cross finish lines. That’s a wonderful, wonderful quote, lisa. Thank you for that, and I just would like to get started with a simple question, if that’s okay with you. How did it happen for you? 

0:04:43 – Lisa Brooking

Well, thank you, mike, for that introduction and those kind words. I feel so grateful for the journey my career has taken me. It’s certainly not what I expected, growing up in a small town, dreaming of being a nurse, very proud to be a nurse, and opportunities arose for me to expand beyond the bedside very progressively in leadership and it’s opened my perspective in my mind to how I can have an impact in care beyond one patient at the bedside, to serve a unit, a hospital and, more broadly now, a population. 

0:05:18 – Mike Malatesta

So how did this passion of yours develop, lisa, like? Where did it come from? Parents, friends, what? Yeah, that’s a great question. 

0:05:29 – Lisa Brooking

I’m first in my family to go to university. My father came off a farm and we are you know we are grateful to be abrooted in good family values, hard work, doing right by people and I think that and being surrounded by a great community it takes a village to raise a child and I’m grateful to have had some good mentors and role models in my community. That has always inspired me to, you know, be dream big and follow my passions. 

My family is also not athletic, so either they picked the wrong baby up from the hospital, or I have been blessed with, you know, some some very deep passions and athletics as well as to help others, and I’m bringing those together with the role I have now. But I’ve certainly been pursuing my passions and along the way I’m trying to just do a good job. 

0:06:28 – Mike Malatesta

And what about siblings? You have any brothers or sisters? 

0:06:32 – Lisa Brooking

I do, I’m the middle child. 

0:06:34 – Mike Malatesta

Yeah, so am I. 

0:06:35 – Lisa Brooking

I’m younger sister. 

0:06:38 – Mike Malatesta

And what are they up to? What are they? What are they doing? 

0:06:42 – Lisa Brooking

Yeah, my brother. I have a family and he lives in Prince Edward Island, which is a small little island on the east coast of Canada. And then my sister, she is in Ottawa, so our nation’s capital, and she represents the farmers of Canada, so she advocates for them and helps to support them. 

0:07:00 – Mike Malatesta

And you say your family was a farming family. What? What kind of farming? Yeah, my father was also a farm. 

0:07:07 – Lisa Brooking

But I was raised in town but our family and our family friends were more out in the countryside. 

0:07:13 – Mike Malatesta

Okay, got it. And the running. When did that start? Was it something you’ve? 

0:07:21 – Lisa Brooking

Yeah, that was a high school teacher that really encouraged me to get into running and my family. We didn’t have a lot of extra money growing up but, luckily, running all you need is a pair of running shoes. So I famously had my Walmart running shoes and these cotton tights that were bell bottomed at the time if you were raised in the 90s and so I had elastic bands on the bottoms and those were my tights and I very, you know, fell in love with running very organically and was grateful to have some success. And then the extraordinary opportunity to run on scholarship at university. I had lots of opportunity to go to the States, but I felt more comfortable going to school in Canada. It was Windsor, so borders to Troy, and by running for the University of Windsor I had the opportunity to study nursing as well as athletically. We competed almost every weekend in the States. 

So it was best of both worlds, and I was also able to be closer to my family. 

0:08:22 – Mike Malatesta

And was that so? Is that a scholarship opportunity? I don’t know how it works in Canada, if it’s the same as it works here. 

0:08:28 – Lisa Brooking

Yes, yes, this is a significant subsidy for running. And then when I went to do my master’s degree, I was at a private university and I was on full scholarship so I had some of those years of eligibility left. So I did my nursing degree, I moved out west, did nursing, then I see nursing, then I went back to get my master’s and I had some eligibility left and I had a few years of experience on me and been grateful for the opportunity to run for university and help really advance its ranking significantly. 

0:09:02 – Mike Malatesta

So I read about that. That was Trinity Western University, right, so that was kind of unique. So I’d like to take us through this a little bit. So you went to Windsor, you ran there, but evidently you had some as you mentioned, some eligibility left, and so you went to get your master’s and you were like and I don’t think you had been running right, like competitively running, during that period. 

0:09:26 – Lisa Brooking

Whoa, windsor was a powerhouse. I was grateful to come from my small town and run for a university like Windsor and so to be part of the team and that extraordinary experience. I ran some fantastic times. I also was learning sport and I was burning the candle at both hands and I ended up getting injured quite a bit with various stress, fractures and just not training properly, and so I was doing clinicals in the hospital. So it wasn’t conducive to success. Even though I had a lot of running success, I still got injured quite a bit. 

And then I just dove right into my career with shift work and the high stresses of nursing, especially getting into critical care. I still ran. It was very much part of me in helping to just balance out my life and I was running a little bit on the roads but it wasn’t until I went to do my master’s. I realized I had eligibility left and I wasn’t too old and so for me it was extraordinary. I went to school to achieve a level of education and along the way I was able to help a team increase the ranking significantly. I made the national team which is very rare to make the national team later in life, and then it would just opened up an incredible amount of doors for my running, and I was then sponsored by Sockney for several years and it just all unfolded in such a unique way that I didn’t expect. 

0:10:57 – Mike Malatesta

So that just when you decided you were going to get your master’s at Trinity Western, the running was not in your mind at all. You kind of got there and then something happened where you were like oh, and you connected those dots and decided to do it, or was it that’s? 

0:11:12 – Lisa Brooking

a great question. 

So, you know, school is expensive, so always looking for scholarship and how to offset it. So I was certainly connecting with the coach and I’ve been running those times. I haven’t been on the track since 2000. 2009,. 

But I got this and so it was a little bit of you know, faith and hoping I still have those wheels because I was running more of the longer stuff on the roads 10 k’s, marathons, just having some fun, but certainly not an organized team. I hadn’t been part of a team and organized practice since I left my undergrad, so for me it was getting back into that formalized training. And then I was just swapping a lot to work night shifts so I could attend the training and I competed and traveled with the team. So I wore the Trinity jersey, competed with them just as any other student would, and then through that, found this hidden speed. It was having great success on the roads. And then cross-country running where I ultimately qualified for multiple Pan Am games, world championships and just it just totally took off. So you know, sometimes things come when you least expect it. Yeah. 

0:12:25 – Mike Malatesta

Well, you seem to me to be a person who’s overly humble, and I appreciate that about you, but I’m curious where did the running? Where did this sort of newfound or renaissance ability? Where was it hiding? You mentioned, you know, in undergrad, you know. Maybe your training wasn’t where it needed to be. You were injured frequently. What do you think transformed in you that allowed the best of you to come out, running-wise at least? 

0:12:59 – Lisa Brooking

I think for sure, as you mature in a sport you learn along the way and I think sport in general has progressed. It’s not a one-size-fits-all, as we’re learning in healthcare, so you know, a certain body type, a certain weight, a certain amount of miles per week no longer exists in the sport. You know, we went with the principles that we knew and we were coached a certain way and that coaching approach worked for many, many years and had a great success For me. I need to run differently, so I need to do a little less mileage, a bit more strength, definitely feel myself better and know that I run faster a little bit more healthier, so a little bit of a healthier weight than being more on the thinner side, and then with that being 

more nourished I’m. Not only do I have the fuel to work night shifts and work a busy career, but then have some great success on the roads. And we really dominated. You know, trinity was ranked last or second last. And so to have the opportunity one of my colleagues she came over from Scotland and she was doing her master’s so her and I to be able to run at a graduate level and pull the undergrad team to, you know, a top ranking in the first year, feeling that success, tasting that success builds momentum makes others dream bigger, and it was extraordinary to contribute to that. 

So as much as I helped contribute to the success, they also helped me remind myself why I run. So it was very much both ways and now my goal is to have longevity in sport in general and again, this continued success on the roads. You know, when I travel for work I see if there’s a race, I sign up for the race. Most of the time I don’t know the course. Luckily my times allow me to be in the elite field. But you know what? Maybe one day they’ll say it doesn’t, but for now it does enable me to be a total line with these other extraordinary women, and I just turned my mind off and give it my all. 

And it’s painful because I don’t train as much as I should now, but I can hang on. And so it’s a joy. It’s a joy to see how far we can push our bodies, and it’s a joy to see us overcome what we otherwise thought was not possible, right. 

0:15:26 – Mike Malatesta

I like how you drew the connection or the parallel between sort of old school coaching which I grew up in old school. I’m a few decades older than you but I grew up in that. You know this is, we all do it the same way. This is how you are successful and you mentioned you know you put this much time on the road and you taper this way and you know everything’s sort of this is the way. This is the textbook. And you said you know you were in an environment at Trinity where that was a little different. 

Right, you could be, you could train to you and you drew that parallel to the work you’re doing now, which is really, you know, to the work you’re doing now, which is really looking at every person medically, physically, physiologically and in other ways as one person. So how do we get the best out of this one person? 

0:16:12 – Lisa Brooking

So that was yeah, and the training also goes hand in hand with nutrition. So when I experienced the coaching under Trinity, I had seen a change from my undergrad, so that that change was happening in sport and then from there it’s a continuing as a building blocks. So with health, good medical and what we do here. It’s continuing to learn and I’m a very curious person and so all these years I used to car load before races and all the past on breads for me doesn’t fuel me, and so what is going to fuel me so that I can be an F1 car? 

0:16:46 – Mike Malatesta

on a race. 

0:16:47 – Lisa Brooking

And that’s different for everyone, and so it’s just as much about training as it is about diet and sleep, and so learning I’m learning along the way. I’m a lifelong learner. 

0:16:58 – Mike Malatesta

Yeah, and we all are, or should be, that’s for sure. I read this quote that this is from the Vancouver sun and it’s just you, an article about you talking about running. And your quote was I don’t stress about race day, I’m not worrying about who shows up or who doesn’t show up, I’m doing what I love to do. And that quote reminded me of our discussion before we started recording, about how grateful you are for every day, just your overall approach to life. But I wondered when I read that quote I was like man, how does she not stress about race day? Because it’s one thing to say, and I’m projecting from myself that you know, I’ve done the training, I know what I have to do. But then you start to see people and they look pretty good. You’re like, oh gosh am. 

I really going to have. So how do you manage through that, Because I think that’s a hard thing for people. 

0:18:03 – Lisa Brooking

Right, well, that quotes a few years old, but it still stands true today. And you know, sometimes newspaper articles just take a snippet of, really, when I didn’t provide much, they didn’t include much context. So I’d like to provide context. There’s yeah, go ahead. 

So of course you need a healthy amount of stress. Maybe you’re going into a big board meeting, maybe you’re going to a job interview race day. Of course you have the nerves, you have the butterflies, because you want to be able to deliver your best and know that you crossed that finish line saying I had nothing left. So I do have those nerves, just like anyone else, whether it’s in my professional life or my athletic life. What is different is I don’t stress about, I don’t look up who’s in the elite field, I don’t look up their times. I don’t do that because for me, we all had our own journey to get to the start line. Maybe you are a professional athlete and all your eggs are in one basket. Your entire livelihood depends on you winning this race financially. Maybe you’re a mom and your kids kept you up all night. There’s so many people, especially women, all come to the start line through different journeys and they’re there for a different purpose, but we all told the start line united in terms of our love for sport. 

And so for me, I ran Miami and this year I ran it two minutes faster because the competition was stronger. So for me, I love great competition. Of course we all love winning and we love being on the podium, but there’s also something to be said about some races that just has some really good competition, great sportsmanship, and you can just appreciate that individual putting that little bit extra training. You know who are we to judge and I just love the opportunity to race among others. I train a lot alone, just given my work schedule. 

And so it’s a bit of a siloed sport. Listen to a lot of books and podcasts, such as yours, but for me, racing and COVID brought this to my attention and I miss my friends. Some of these women I’ve been racing with who are now on the Olympic team. We’ve been racing together since undergrad and now a few of them are pro and some are now moms and pushing strollers. 

So, maybe at different spots on that 50,000 start line, 50,000 person start line, but what’s so exciting is, at the end, to have these familiar faces. It’s a sense of community, same with being on the national team and seeing other people to represent other countries and you follow where they are. I just approached sport differently. Of course I have high expectations for myself and but I don’t put additional pressure on if somebody else beats me, because they most likely train more harder than. I do so. 

0:21:00 – Mike Malatesta

When you were explaining that the part about not looking up the other people’s times or anything like that but having this sense at least this is my interpretation of what you said having this sense once the race starts, like, oh okay, that’s who showed up, all right, so that then gets you, instead of you checking all this stuff and maybe getting intimidated by what you read. For example, if I heard you right, you’re saying once I observe who I’m with, I actually get fuel and strength from that, because that’s the real thing. Right, what they’re doing in the race is what’s the real thing, and to take two minutes off, for example, sounds like a lot. That sounds like a lot of time. Yes, it is Okay. 

0:21:48 – Lisa Brooking

And considering nothing’s changed in my training. So once I was second here in Vancouver for the half marathon, so it’s a hometown crowd. I’ve run this for many years. This year I was supposed to be on a work trip. That work trip got canceled and then I thought, well, you know what, no one’s expecting me to be there anyways. But then I see all the little flags around town and all the buzz and I’m like, oh, I can’t. There’s no reason for me not to be there. Not injured, I have no excuse. 

And so I signed up last minute. Bailey coordinator was very gracious, so I got a number and I told the start line thinking, wow, I’m getting old, these girls are getting young. I don’t recognize anyone, except for one individual who ultimately won, and she was a previous Olympian and so she was in the 1500 or 5000. And so she’s a speed demon on the track. So it was exciting for me to recognize a face, as well as a lot of unfamiliar faces. These women are coming from an international scene and to finish at a one, 16. So an hour 16, 90 seconds behind the Olympian finished second in a hometown crowd. I could have easily said I’m gonna sleep in tomorrow. No one’s gonna know I’m not there, but for me I thought no, I have no reason not to be, and even if I come last, I’m out getting good workout. I’m with the community of people that are also out there trying the best. 

So for me, in sport, I don’t wanna be someone that doesn’t participate because I’m not at the top, and so for me to do that, I need to put myself in vulnerable situations. 

0:23:30 – Mike Malatesta

Well, that’s a vulnerable situation to not be training. It worked out well. 

0:23:36 – Lisa Brooking

Thankfully. 

0:23:36 – Mike Malatesta

Sure did. So. Where’s the most interesting place that you’ve run? I mean when you were part of Team Canada, I think you mentioned. You are all over the world running. 

0:23:51 – Lisa Brooking

By far. World championships 2017, I wanna say don’t quote me on that here Campele, uganda. So when you think Canada in terms of hockey and the States with football, when you think Africa, you think running, and so it was. Of course, there was lots of nerves around. Would there be water for us to drink? What will the elements be like? But for me, I was just. This was an opportunity to see a country breeding ground for running. They love running and it was so extraordinary to be there and to represent Canada. 

So with a lot of these world championships and Olympic games is sometimes countries can’t afford to send many countries, so with Africa because they have to travel, but when it’s in Africa there was an amazing presence among their little countries within Africa and so I was like, ooh, the competition’s really tough and it was hot and humid and anyone who’s local there is warming up and sweatpants, a long-sleeved shirt and the rest of us are just melting at the thought of running. So it wasn’t conducive for February. A Canadian coming from you know, like this heavy year. 

But, you know we did the best to prepare and we knew it was gonna be tough and it was so extraordinary. The crowds I’ve never been to a competition with crowds that deep, you know families. It was the event of the year and it just it was such a wonderful thing to celebrate and the crowds were cheering for countries other than their own. So, for me. It was such a blessing to have that experience. 

It left so many lasting memories. And then, in addition to that, athletic Canada was so gracious in letting me visit a local hospital. So while I was there, I very much wanted to blend my curiosity for like their healthcare and get a window into what they’re doing and gain a perspective, and so I had an experience to view their hospital and have a Swahili speaking nurse and a translator and celebrate what they’re doing really well and they’re proud of and how they deliver care and how they keep their nation healthy. So I visited the AID Society and their local hospital and gained so much insight. 

0:26:30 – Mike Malatesta

What kind of insight? Give me an example of something that you. 

0:26:32 – Lisa Brooking

A great example is so many don’t read and write, so they spread the message of public health initiatives and through a song and dance, and so the volunteers got together and sang and danced and the translator was translating for me, and the message was you know how did you prevent the medicine? Or whether it’s hand washing, or you know, this is the importance of this vaccine. And so, versus giving out a pamphlet, and so it made me realize there’s so many. Oftentimes we’re so conventional in our approaches, but different people, you know, hear and learn differently, and so how can we touch a population to ensure that everybody is on the same playing field and has the same opportunities to receive the education? 

0:27:22 – Mike Malatesta

I’m glad you got that opportunity. It reminds me of like when I you know a singer, you know famous athlete here, like they go and they see what’s happening locally. You know they go and they meet some, they go to a hospital or they go see kids that are sick or whatever. And it’s not just to, it’s not just to like lift up their spirits, it’s to learn too, it’s to experience things that you wouldn’t ordinarily experience, and I’m glad you took that chance to do that yeah. 

0:27:50 – Lisa Brooking

Another example. It’s easy for us in North America to say there’s nothing we can learn from a country that is otherwise impoverished, but there is something we can learn because the races still exist, there are still functionings. You know society and there is some things to celebrate, and so I did some research before so I could celebrate with them, and one of the things I read on the WHO the World Health Organization at that time was they had made a significant progression in their post-operative infections and so they were bringing that rate down. And so when I met with the nurse and got the tour, and I had said I had read this article about your hospital, congratulations. And so I got a tour of the OR and they implemented three things they put a door on their operating room between the outside and the inside so there was no air flowing through which could be dirt and dust. 

0:28:44 – Mike Malatesta

So, they put a door. 

0:28:45 – Lisa Brooking

they cleaned the skin beforehand, so they use that. You know clean the skin before making the incision. And the third piece is that everybody on the surgical team washed their hands and while that may be something that you know is not innovative here in North America, for them it is. And implementing a process and adhering to it and seeing the positive impacts then has builds momentum for other hospitals and communities because they spread that word through. You know this worked for us, this will work for your community, and so it’s a grassroots initiative that has the potential to really make a big movement versus another country coming in and implementing something nationwide. They’re starting small and then showing the success and then building that momentum. So it was so extraordinary, both athletically and then just for my love for healing people and caring for people. It came together in that trip that carries with me. 

0:29:45 – Mike Malatesta

This may be my last running related question, but I have to ask it. You went from Walmart shoes and then you mentioned that you were a Sockney, sponsored you for a couple of years. What are you wearing now to run? What are your favorite shoes and why? 

0:29:58 – Lisa Brooking

Yes, well, there was no running store in my town, so Walmart is where you go to get running shoes. 

0:30:05 – Mike Malatesta

So I didn’t know. 

0:30:06 – Lisa Brooking

To me it didn’t. They were shoes on your feet that you run with. So to me it wasn’t anything. I bless it wasn’t until now when I run. People are so particular about what shoe brands you wear, but at the time it was just for my family is very practical. 

So, I was like what’s the difference? And I agreed. So now I’ve certainly explored other brands. Sockney has been so good to me. I still love their brands. I still love their shoes. I run in the shift a lot. Those are great mileage shoe I love. I’ve tried racing in the Nikes because we’re all curious. And then most recently I didn’t think I would step into the Adidas lane but I’m trialing the Adidas, the Boston’s. 

I’m loving it but again, yeah, it’s, maybe there’s another, maybe it’s the Boston something, but it’s for sure Boston. And for me it’s all about comfort and how I strive. So one shoe may work for me, maybe not work for you. Do you see the common theme? It’s not one size fits all. I run and I for one. As a female, our body is distributed differently. And then for two, it’s how I run more on my forefoot, and so I’m not a heel striker and I have a long stride. So, based on that, I wear it, choose a certain pattern and also need a certain structure to my shoe. And so for me, finding the right shoe and having that comfort, then I can just focus on the running versus my feet are in pain. 

So, I’m going with those days. If I ever step on the track again, I’ll probably never wear spikes, I’ll just wear my shoes, because I realize having a lighter shoe, your feet are just uncomfortable. So I’m all about like comfort and I can just focus on grinding out the fastest time and being on that pain train and just like embracing it, because you know the pain is is temporary. 

0:32:05 – Mike Malatesta

Pain train. I like that. 

0:32:07 – Lisa Brooking

Yeah, especially only a mile to, and you’re like, oh, got a while to go, you just have to accept it and just focus one foot in front of the other which is similar to wanting an organization. 

0:32:21 – Mike Malatesta

Yeah right. 

0:32:23 – Lisa Brooking

You know I’m a, I’m a steward in this company and the strategy and heading in a direction and maybe we have to pivot, or maybe this is a lot of. It’s easy to see a company and see it successes, but those years leading up to that is a lot of groundwork, is a lot of. You know, challenging times and so running, and especially running distance and and having that persistent progression, things compound over time. My same approach and leadership with the team and keeping everybody engaged is we got this, we have our milestones. We’re going to do this together. Maybe we have to pivot or pause this. This journey can be fun and so rewarding. When you see a journey, bring the team along for the ride and celebrate the success as you, as you get there. 

0:33:10 – Mike Malatesta

Right, so let’s. So I appreciate that shift, I let’s. Let’s go there now. So you’re the CEO of health code medical but, as you’ve mentioned, you’ve you started out in nursing. Just, I assume you’re still a nurse, is that correct? 

0:33:27 – Lisa Brooking

Um, yes, I registered nurse. I haven’t practiced for a few years the bedside, but someone goes in the cardiac arrest on there. 

0:33:33 – Mike Malatesta

Okay, so she’s ready. 

0:33:34 – Lisa Brooking

So I’m critical care trauma nurse. Oh, you went to have the bug you always have, you know, like riding a bike. 

0:33:43 – Mike Malatesta

Yeah, okay, and so how did? How did you’ve got this bug? You’re doing this work. You obviously love it. You can tell. Look at it, if you’re watching. She’s got this huge smile on her face when she’s talking about this and somehow you make this shift into I call it, management leadership becoming a CEO. What’s what happened? 

0:34:04 – Lisa Brooking

It’s a bit of a journey. When I first went in to leadership, especially in the public sector, I realized that you know there’s staffing models and such the decisions. There’s many factors that influence the decision. So I learned a lot in various levels of management administration and then went into be a practice leader, so then champion best practice. I had the opportunity to oversee a cancer hospital here in Vancouver and really advance forward in terms of its operating efficiencies, staff retention, having people you know excited to come to work every day, mobilizing change, getting exciting about change and then creating a culture shift and operation shift and improving patient outcomes. And I feel I was able to deliver on that and have it sustainable. And have that change sustained is because you know role modeling the way forward. 

0:35:03 – Mike Malatesta

I come from the frontline. 

0:35:05 – Lisa Brooking

I’m very much boots on the ground leader, so overseeing the ecology hospital doing my rounds during the day. 

You know they’re seeing me in this role. I’m an ICU nurse. I have no street cred with them, so I put on scrubs, I spend time in the OR, I’m spending time in radiation therapy. I’m learning, I’m asking questions. I’m not better than them. I’m, you know, trying to see why they do what they do. Why are the apprehensive events, the change, why are they worried about? What are they worried about? And for me, spending that time and having those lived experiences, which is similar to in Africa, I’m somebody that when I experience something and can feel something, it to me is quite powerful and then helps me make the best decisions and certainly advocate. 

So, regardless of what role I’m, in whether it’s private or public, whether I’m a steward of private or public funding or running a private company or public company, the same approach it’s people. It’s people that come for the service, people that deliver the service. So how can you make this the best place to work and you feel supported. There are opportunities for growth. You know that you are one piece of this continuity of care and you’re having this impact on this patient’s journey. People come to the hospital, they’re sick, they’re vulnerable, and you’re making them, you’re helping them feel comfortable, them and their families. And then, from an administrative standpoint, the decisions that we make is it having the proper trickle down effect? And how do you check that if it is, and not just through surveys Like, how do you get a pulse on that? And so for me, it’s developing trust with the teams physician teams, nursing teams, housekeeping you know, you outsource one thing and you’re seeing. 

Oh, if you outsource food services and then they deliver the food trays at this time, how does that impact when they are given medications or if it delays them getting certain treatments? So for me, having been at the frontline doing those 12, 16 hour shifts, there’s a lot that goes into care that sometimes people that are in administrative roles don’t see, and you have to adapt to a patient’s ever changing status to know is it safe for them to go for that CT scan, are they ready for the, or Maybe they’re not waking up as quickly from anesthesia, so you have to pivot. So, in on the front line, you’re constantly critically thinking and pivoting, and that’s a brilliant workforce that doesn’t, that can self regulate. What we need to do is give them the tools and capacity to be able to operate most efficiently, because they know how to do their job. 

0:37:45 – Mike Malatesta

Yes. 

0:37:46 – Lisa Brooking

And when they went into healthcare so even housekeeping there’s every facet of healthcare they’re in this. I believe they came to healthcare for purpose, and so I. My role, is simply to alleviate the barriers, to help them be able to deliver the best care. 

0:38:02 – Mike Malatesta

I love how you talked about like. It’s a very, to me, fundamental leadership approach is to go to, especially if you’re new, to go to where the people are working, rather than having them come to you. You mentioned putting on the scrubs, going into OR you know you are not above anything that you’re doing. You mentioned later you know some administrators. They sort of don’t think that that’s something that they need to do to build trust with everyone and to get real opinion. 

0:38:39 – Lisa Brooking

But they host a meeting or a town hall, you know, a couple of people come, they voice those are usually the extreme then. And then they they say oh, I talked to the front line and they’re not being paid enough and so, or in, and so it’s not a proper sample size. And I hosted staff meetings and no one came. It was hurtful because I am a nurse, but then I get it, and so for me it was removing the suit in the heels, putting on scrubs, my hair in a pony and showing up for work at 7am, when they show up for work not at 8.39. And so, and being willing to, of course, when you’re in administrative role you can’t be doing the work. I can’t. 

It’s a unionized profession so I can’t be getting in and doing IDs and such, even though it was dying to actually be really helpful, but could transport patients and do little things. But that’s how I spent time understanding the logistics from a cancer hospital to a major Vancouver general. The patients are transported through the tunnels, but when you follow a quarter you realize it takes 20 minutes and there’s only one elevator, so you realize where the congestion and the roadblocks lie. So oftentimes organizations bring in these big consulting firms, when I think they certainly add a lot of value, is. I think, having from least my experience, I’ve been grateful to have success in leadership is because I just went down questions and spent time with the teams on different shift patterns and just seeing like, wow, what are you guys up against? I totally get it Right Now. I understand. 

0:40:18 – Mike Malatesta

It’s an amazing way to remove friction, and that is make sure that people know that you care about them before you expect them to care about you. It’s true, right. 

0:40:28 – Lisa Brooking

And a very authentic person. So I have a very purpose driven and so I’m. I like to share with the frontline like this is why I’m here. I’m not here because I’m better than anyone. I don’t believe in hierarchies. I’m here because this role enables me to have this sphere of influence and I want to use it well, into the best of my abilities. So I want to talk to patients and I want to understand. 

So, when I was at acute care some more than critical care, and then cancer hospital, and then now here at health code, where it’s more of a preventative health optimization but why are you using your hard earned dollars to come here? Why do you come back here after year? Where’s the value? So for me, leading this company is really spending a lot of time talking to the patients. And have you been able to shift the trajectory in your heart disease, your diabetes? Have you lost that weight? Do you feel that you are feeling your hormones are balanced, your own experiencing metapods? And if they’re fully engaged and we should be able to achieve a certain level of momentum. 

If we’re not, what can I add in? Or where is the missing piece? So it’s very much growing our services and community from within versus creating a product and just marketing, marketing, marketing, having people’s money. If they don’t see value for money, they don’t come back. No problem that’s not how I run this company is I run it through. I want people to see value and sign up year after year and they do. 

And now they’re signing up their spouses and a patriarch of the family will sign up the entire family, because we all know teenagers can use some support when it comes to their habits. Yes, that can have a downstream effect later in life. How do we set them up for success, to really excel in university and beyond? 

0:42:28 – Mike Malatesta

So, lisa, how did you make the decision, or what occurred, to have you make this change from what I’ll call traditional medicine working in the hospitals and public health to this private sort of functional medicine Sometimes we call it concierge medicine, or I’ve heard it called something like that or that term used. How did you yeah, what happened for you to make that change? Cause it sounds like you were really into what you were. 

0:43:06 – Lisa Brooking

It’s always going to be with the public sector and and how can we help support it and how can we ensure that it’s sustainable over for future generations? But ultimately, a part of me was like why do people keep coming back For more heart stents? Like why you know we can’t keep handling this volume? Like what could be done upstream to prevent people from coming in? Can you detect cancer earlier, at stage one, stage two, where it’s life saving? Can we shift someone’s course trajectory in their heart disease so they don’t need a bypass surgery? And then stands on the bypass surgery and I’ve been in the OR for bypass surgery valves. I’ve seen stents go in and and it is, you know. I almost wish the patients had a view of what it, what it looks like. When you see your body from the inside, you certainly have a different, you cherish it a bit more, I think, and that can help mobilize some of those behavioral changes. 

So stepping into the private sector enabled me, and not leaving the public behind, but just setting it aside and saying is this really going to the dark side or not? And I’m a curious person. So let’s see what this is all about Again. Why are people spending their hard earned dollars here. Where is the value? Are they getting better and what? Where can we ultimately blend the good things that they’re doing and democratizing it? So concierge medicine is different. So people pay for concierge medical doctor that will answer the phone on the first ring right the prescriptions they need. 

0:44:45 – Mike Malatesta

Okay. 

0:44:46 – Lisa Brooking

We are. We have a concierge level of service, but we are not concierge medicine. So functional medicine gets to the root cause. So what is driving those symptoms? You know, our skin is the largest organ. So when people say I’m coming for anti aging, well, why are you having these skin issues? It’s an inflammatory process. Let’s look at the gut, let’s see what’s going on. So we use an extensive amount of testing globally, the US, overseas who’s the best in class to really get to the root cause of? Let’s look at that heart disease. What type of plaque calcified, non calcified, like? Let’s get to the, let’s do as much testing as possible so that we can really see what is driving that disease process and then how can we shift it accordingly. 

So we do extensive testing, both blood testing and then as well as imaging and then different types of testing and house assessing and from there we can then give people a personalized plan and approach to help shift that. So then ultimately you need less insulin because your sugars aren’t unstable and suddenly you don’t need to depend on those antidepressants it’s just sometimes not all the time. So we are not in the business of prescribing medications. We want to see people get off their medications if it’s possible. We’re not your family doctor, which is a great position to be it, because if you need something, you’re your family doctor. You come to us to say you know what? 

I want to have agency over my health. I want to not have my disease to find me. I want to run the next marathon. I want to keep up with my grandkids. All my buddies are getting on a boat and doing this and I don’t want to have a heart attack, so they want to be able to say yes. So when you spend your lifetime creating wealth, if you don’t keep your health, then you’re going to spend your wealth Getting your health back, and that concept is certainly brings true to our members and but I think there’s a bit of a disconnect in society. Oh, there’s nothing wrong with me, so I go to the doctor when there’s something wrong with me. 

Okay, what about if we just found out more about us as an individual or rings? Our Apple watches are already starting to do that, where I see what is my resting heart rate, and we’re already starting to become more knowledgeable about us as this incredible machine, and so you’ll notice a change. 

Your Apple watch will say your heart rate is higher or it’s. The technology is advancing so quickly, so how do we plug that into? Okay, we’re seeing this, we do think you’re getting sick. Okay, how can we get on top of it so you don’t get sick? And so there is many facets of what we do that helps to keep people healthy. Does early detection around cancers way above what is available in the system, so that if we do detect something, we can have it? 

dealt with and then carry on and ultimately help them achieve their goal to live life on their terms. 

0:47:53 – Mike Malatesta

And how do so. I love all that. By the way, my ordering said that my resting my resting heart rate last night was slightly elevated, which it tells me every so often, so it’s a sign that you’re not fully recovered. It always tells me. So, yeah, wearables, and the access to information that you can act upon personally is really accelerating to, which makes what you’re doing. It helps validate what you’re doing, right? So, with information which you didn’t have before, like you’d only time you got your, nobody knew what their resting heart rate was on a Continuous basis, right? You only knew what your heart rate was when you went to the doctor and they took your heart rate before you know they take your pulse and they take. So, having all this information, like you said, you’re curious person. I’m a curious person. It makes me curious what it? So I have all this information. What does it mean and how do I maximize? 

0:48:44 – Lisa Brooking

And what’s great is we used to just have those running heart rate bands. So when you were running. 

Heart rate other than that you didn’t know. And so now, when my heart rate is following me throughout the day and I park in P4, I take the stairs every day, even in a skirt heels. I’m taking the stairs and it’s hard, but then you see that you’re getting better at it because your heart rate is not going as high. And so I think the these wearables do a great job of giving the little successes and motivators to say look at you, you have done more steps this week than last week, so it’s certainly helping the lifestyle movement Progress. At the end of the day, there’s no special pill that’s going to make you younger, healthier. It’s all about how you live your life. 

0:49:32 – Mike Malatesta

We all have vices. 

0:49:33 – Lisa Brooking

We all enjoy that glass of wine, you know, maybe eating that burger once in a while. But what do you do day to day? And that’s that is. That is what it comes down to. The daily habits compound over time. So if the majority of the time you’re eating healthy, eating clean, you’re getting walks in your exercise, or so you’re getting a walk in your sleeping, and then the odd time you pull that all night or you do this, you do that, it doesn’t interrupt your overall health, and so there’s that piece of it, and then there’s the piece around. 

If you live in a part of the country where you don’t get much sun, such as here in Vancouver, you need to be on vitamin D and vitamin vitamins. Our body is a series of chemical reactions so people think, oh, just a vitamin. I’d rather take a pharmaceutical that has all these Negative outcomes. But the vitamins natural and it helps our body have those chemical reactions, build back those muscle fibers, help our heart beat stronger, you know, makes our eyes less dry or skin more vibrant. 

It doesn’t come in creams and bottles so if you, if you balance within, in taking into context the environment you live in, you can actually achieve the found abuse. 

0:50:52 – Mike Malatesta

From a cellular standpoint. 

0:50:54 – Lisa Brooking

Totally yeah, okay, and so for me, I’m running faster, I have more energy than ever before and yet I’m training less. But yet what is working? And for me it’s through personalized medicine. So for me I a certain level of iron, I use certain level of different vitamins to help me be able to opt, like my body to be a homeostasis and beyond. And this is where, through the types of testing we do and we’re able to support people throughout the year. So if you get COVID, we can pivot with you and then be able to support you through COVID, long COVID, different types of illnesses. 

And so I think that’s what makes us different is there’s lots of executive medicals in both countries is one day medicals. You go to these standard stations, you get a readout saying there’s nothing scary and you should eat a Mediterranean diet, walk 10,000 steps today, we’ll see you next year. What we do is we do a two day medical. You have your own room. It’s just this wonderful, nicely paced experience. We do have standard testing and then we have personalized testing. 

So a lot around neuro cognition, maybe the family history of dementia and Alzheimer’s. Maybe you’re a CEO of Fortune 500 company and you worked so hard to get the top of your company and advance it to just be a juggernaut. But then you’re realizing your brain is just not functioning like it used to, and that’s a scary and vulnerable position to be in. So we assess the brain. You can’t do it brain transplant so we better take care of this organ, and it’s something that hasn’t been embedded in traditional medicine. 

So not only are we looking at the body from a cellular level, so that you can look younger, feel younger, your body can really function well, functioning from a physical standpoint and mobility, but then also from a cognition. So your memory, your processing speed, your abilities to just be on the ball. You’ve probably been in a relationship with people you’re like wow, they’re on, like they got that witty response. They remember that person’s name from 10 years ago. You know they’re seeing opportunities in the market because they’re listening to you, they’re thinking about something else, and those are extraordinary individuals, not because I think they have a higher IQ than anyone else or come from anything special. I think it’s because they are taking good care of the brain. And if you do carry a genetic gene that does predispose you to these issues, how can we let you know about it now so that you can do the proper measures to minimize it or potentially, eliminate it altogether. 

0:53:38 – Mike Malatesta

So, lisa, who is? The people are listening. They’re like who’s the ideal client patient for the work you’re doing at health code, medical and, as I recall, it doesn’t matter where the person lives. You can work with someone, no matter what. So who’s the ideal client patient and how do they connect? What’s the process like? 

0:54:05 – Lisa Brooking

Our ideal client. So you can’t sign up online. You have to come through me because I want to connect with the patient to ensure that they want to be an engaged member. This is not a passive program. This is a level of engagement. But we work with you because we know that you have a busy schedule, so somebody that wants to have agency over their health. We do not judge if you know what your types of beliefs are. We take you as you are. We are here to help you achieve your health goals. We want to work with your existing care team or concierge team if you will allow us, but otherwise you don’t have to, and we do support clients. So we are located. 

We are going through a growth stage, but our flagship is here in Vancouver, british Columbia, canada, and then we service a lot of clients on the East Toronto and then a lot of growing number of Americans through New York, texas, california. So we’re doing the grand sweep and grateful it’s through word of mouth, we’re doing something different and people are excited to feel different and we’re just grateful that they tell others about it. So our referral program is organic and it’s been incredible. So we’ve collected an extraordinary amount, extraordinary clientele. Often they are busy executives, entrepreneurs, high level athletes. You know people that have worked very hard to get to where they are and they want to be able. 

maybe along the way they didn’t take as good care about their health only when there was an issue, and then they would seek out that concierge meant to deal with the issue. But who’s really your quarterback in modeling your health throughout the decades? Much like financial planning. You have short and long term goals. You check in yearly. Are you on track? It’s all about strategy, and so we are doing health as an asset and we are an asset class. We take it seriously. It’s highly personalized and we work with you. 

For example, if you are someone that says, lisa, your medical team suggests I take these five vitamins, I’m not going to take them, my team will think I’m sick, I’m taking pills. Ok, well, we will compound it and it will show up at your house every month, so you’ll have your own personalized vitamins. So what do we do to help people overcome? After that 2D assessment, you have a health coach, nutritionists, longevity coach, nursing and medical team throughout the year. 

We recognize our members are on the move. So, whether they’re from local or not, they’re on the move for work, and so how can we help them be able to continue this wellness and health optimization? Now, how we do that is we are very much in the uncovering, discovering and tracking trends. We do do therapies in-house, but a lot of our therapies are where your hometown is. So we will recommend an ozone therapy, maybe a hyperbaric red light therapy, and we will can connect where is a good spot for you to go and then provide that concierge handover. So, for example, if you are wanting to get a therapy done and you show up and you say oh, this is my name, this is why I’m here, no, no we can intersect that and actually provide that handover at a time. 

No, for all treatments. It’s you know, if you’re going into a wellness center for red light therapy, that wouldn’t be necessary. But if you’re going for exosomes or ozone therapy or you’re seeing a specialist somewhere, we would, we could provide that concierge handover. 

0:57:55 – Mike Malatesta

So how does someone connect with you to start the process? 

0:58:01 – Lisa Brooking

Yes, great question. So we have a website and so it would be going to our website, healthcoopmedicalca. And also you can find me on LinkedIn, happy to connect through there and have a further chat. We have a lot to offer and if there’s something, if somebody has a maybe a rare disease or disorder we don’t have a certain test for we can look to see if we can bring that in, and otherwise we seem to be able to truly wrap our arms around our clients and support them and then help them live their best life. 

0:58:39 – Mike Malatesta

Right. 

0:58:40 – Lisa Brooking

Step on the path for success. 

0:58:42 – Mike Malatesta

Thank you. So I have two final questions for you, if that’s okay. The first I read, and so it may or may not be true, but I’ll ask you. Someone asked you the person that you would most want to have dinner with, and you responded Florence Nightingale. Do you remember that? And if so, is that still the case, and why was she your selection? 

0:59:04 – Lisa Brooking

Yes. So I was very grateful to be on the cover of Canadian Running and they did an article on the Canadian Running. That was after coming back from Worlds, and so they asked a series of questions and there was, that was my answer. And so she certainly pioneered care in terms of good sanitation, good hand washing, caring for the patient at its most fundamental level. And for me as a as I’ll always be a nurse she’s certainly somebody I carry with me, but if I was to have dinner with somebody else, it would also be the extraordinary founder that I am so grateful to have dinner with frequently of our clinic. 

So I we have one angel investor and he spent his career creating his wealth and he was busy executive and he wasn’t focused on his health. So he was six, two, six, three, three hundred and thirty pounds, diabetes, heart disease, he wasn’t able to get life insurance and his driver’s license was taken away and he had to do something because you know, this was this, was there was a fork in the road. What was he going to do? And so he spent many years trying to get his health on track through various clinics on both sides of the border as well as internationally, and then he finally achieved success through functional medicine and through that he created a clinic here for his friends and family. 

And then I had, you know, extraordinarily, we met and it was just amazing synergies and we aligned in our values to be able to open our doors up to more people, and so our clinic grew out of you know his own personal health experience and being riddled with diseases and not letting us define him. And so now he’s seventy, he is so energetic, he’s the founder of youth. I can barely keep up with the man and he. I can share with you a photo. We have a before and after and you wouldn’t even recognize him. 

1:01:12 – Mike Malatesta

OK, so he. 

1:01:14 – Lisa Brooking

This is why we exist and we’re hoping to be located in more communities to help more people. 

1:01:21 – Mike Malatesta

And what is his name? 

1:01:23 – Lisa Brooking

His name is Garnet Morris. 

1:01:25 – Mike Malatesta

Garnet Morris. All right, sounds like an incredible human being. 

1:01:30 – Lisa Brooking

Yeah. 

1:01:32 – Mike Malatesta

So my last question is is there a question that you wanted to answer that I didn’t ask, or a message that you want to leave with us before we end today? 

1:01:43 – Lisa Brooking

Hmm, well, I would say a health scare is not a death sentence. And so, like many things in life, as we have seen around the world, there’s hurricanes, there’s floods, there’s all these unknowns that happen in our life. Maybe we lose a job unexpectedly, and yet we are resilient. We are resilient individuals. We, we, you know this has happened. How are we going to get ourselves out of this? How are we going to move forward as an individual, as a family, as a community, as a nation? 

And so, for me, I feel that health doesn’t seem to have that same approach. So you will get our heart attack and then we will come back and get our stents and the bypass surgery, and it’s my one wish is that individuals will think oh my gosh, I need to. I need to. I’m a resilient person. I need to take charge of my health. I want to take charge of my health so that other people can use the hospital rather in need I’m not clogging up the hospital with a self induced issue, you know so that it can be there and fully funded and available for the people that need it. Maybe you or I need it one day. 

We wanted to be available for us, for all taxpayers, and so in doing that, I love to see more individuals just have more agency over their health, and through doing that is learning more about their unique self. We all have the same color blood, but genetically we’re made up differently Depending where we live, depends on, you know, the different environmental factors and how we live our lives. So, people, if they knew that these four things was contributing to this, I think they would. We have seen people change and they didn’t. They didn’t connect the dots. 

So, we’re taking all these wearables and all this test and we’re connecting the dots for for individuals to say we don’t see cancer, but there is this risk factors because of this, or you do have diabetes, but you also, according to this gut test, you should not be eating these foods. We are all creatures of habit. Most of us eat the same thing every day, but you can develop allergies to those foods over time that are coming and being expressed in different ways. So main message you know we, we all want longevity, we all want to live long, but we don’t want to lose our health before you. Don’t lose your health at 65, but live to 100. 

So I want to see if they live long and be healthy long and be wonderful contributors to society and community, and in order to do that, you need help on your side. 

1:04:16 – Mike Malatesta

And you and Garnet and the whole team are really creating a place and a process where people can actually take action on that desire, when maybe yeah, that’s the point. 

1:04:30 – Lisa Brooking

And they don’t. 

You know if individuals don’t want to come back here after they don’t have to, but the value of coming back is that you track the trends, which is cool, and we track throughout the year. 

But we do those big assessments every year and people can see. So we do a test, it’s show, OK, you are 65 on paper, your body’s 75, but this year your body’s actually younger than your your chronological and biological age. So we are doing lots of different tests so people can track not just their cholesterol level and their brain processing speed, but also their overall youthfulness. And I think through those different tests people are motivated in different ways and it’s incredible when you can help somebody out that otherwise thought there was no hope for them other than they spent, or they weren’t able to get pregnant, they thought they had to do IVF, when maybe it’s their cortisone level, Like we look at the body holistically, so is there something else that’s driving that? And we’re very open minded and I think I’m giving you the tools to to move forward with your health. People have seen a lot of success. 

1:05:41 – Mike Malatesta

Nice Well, lisa Brookings, thank you so much for sharing your cool stories, your cool adventure, your cool you. I’m really impressed by everything that you’ve accomplished and by what you are now on a mission to the mission that you are on now to really take each individual and maximize their their health and their longevity and their outlook on life. Because I think there’s a certain you know, if you’ve got, if you got great health and you see a long time horizon, your whole outlook and optimism on life lifts too Right, because it’s not no longer about what’s not possible, it’s about what is possible. What can I do today, tomorrow, the next day, that I wouldn’t have been able to do if I wasn’t as knowledgeable as I am and in the care of people who are knowledgeable as well? So thank you so much for that. 

1:06:36 – Lisa Brooking

Thank you. Thank you for this opportunity to speak with you and I hope our conversation resonates with your viewers. And again I can be reached through LinkedIn. My name is Lisa Brookings, otherwise through health code dot. Ca. 

1:06:49 – Mike Malatesta

Is it health code? Medical dot CA. 

1:06:51 – Lisa Brooking

Health code dot CA. 

1:06:52 – Mike Malatesta

Health code dot CA Okay. Health code dot CA Okay. So everyone listening, take action on what you’ve learned today. Connect with Lisa and learn more about her and her work at health code medical. And do me a favor maximize the greatness that’s inside of you today. I know it’s there. I know it’s bigger than you probably think it is, so why don’t you just let it out and make it happen? 

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